Saudi sportswashing and their ownership and complete editorial control of The Ring is a conspiracy theory to you? Denial will only give you temporary respite from the hard truth.
Enjoy your dhimmi status if you're lucky enough to survive sharia.
According to similarly brain wormed ppl as yourself, it’s been here in the UK for 20 years.
I seem to be ok, cuck boy
Nonito also broke a part of Naoya's face
Japanese individuals generally have lower bone mineral density (BMD) compared to White populations, with bone loss potentially starting earlier (around age 20-30) and decreasing more rapidly in later menopause, leading to higher osteoporosis risk and prevalence in Japan, though environmental factors play a significant role, with specific diagnostic criteria often using Young Adult Mean (YAM) references.
Key Characteristics of Japanese Bone Density
Lower Baseline BMD: Japanese populations typically have lower BMD at various sites (spine, hip) compared to Caucasians.
Higher Fracture Risk: Lower BMD and specific fracture thresholds contribute to a higher prevalence of osteoporosis and related fractures in Japan, notes this article from Nature.
Are you on crack?
Who in their right mind ever thought he could be a champion in the first place?
He lost to Tommy Fury and Tommy Fury is not good. At all.
And Andrew Tate? Why on earth would you want that guy to get another fight? Not only was he just involved in one of the worst fights I've ever seen, but he's also one of the worst human beings walking the planet today. He belongs in jail, not in a boxing ring. He wasn't even good at kickboxing, his natural sport.
counterpoint: get him in the ring to get beaten mercilessly (by someone else not fake Paul)
Oh and forget the politics, the race, the bias, who allegedly ducked who etc. I am talking about purely head to head match ups at their peak.
Exactly. We have few head-to-head matched between these guys. Wilder hasn't even fought Ruiz, or Whyte, or Usyk. This undermines your argument.
You also have to love posters claiming someone is the best at a certain position when their best win was roughly 4 years ago and suffered two brutal knockout losses back to back as if that never happened . :lol1:
To the OP I don’t blame you for not coming back on your own thread to even try and defend it because you probably read how illogical your claim is by now and we know boxing doesn’t work like that , which is putting someone number 2 for not fighting any of the real top guys and winning but gets wins through someone else’s career ? Number 2 based on losing extremely bad and not proving it sounds about right though on this forum ,so you’re good to go . :lol1:
You know what, you've got it right.
And I don't wanna slate the OP too hard since he's not the only one who's made this argument. But look at it this way: can you imagine any other sport where league championships could just be decided by fan conjecture?
It just doesn't happen. All the teams have to play each other at least once.
chill out pal he just beat two guys who cant even throw punches properly, lennox absolutely splatters him inside 6 and shows he is levels above.
Don’t even think Lennox is a top 10 HW (or at least I haven’t thought about his place enough to be sure about it) but I agree he deals with Fury. Tbh, peak Ali, Foreman,Tyson, Holyfield, and Vitali all deal with him.
What’s more, I’m not even sure a HW can come out of this era as an all-time great, like all of boxing’s main men are trying to suggest. Many HWs nowadays are just failed athletes and late starters in boxing. Hence, the talent pool is shallow relative to decades ago
I’ve said it many times: Lennox is the only man that would beat Fury through out history. And it would be like 55/45 in his favour.
how do you beat Fury when he is in peak condition? It’s very very hard. You need to be strong as an ox and have a comparable reach and a **** tonne of power. Also you need to be smart.
Lennox and Vitali are the only two that fit the bill imo.
I’m British and I have an equally hard time putting Fury in the top 10 HWs ever, never mind top 2!
What baffles me most is the logic employed to arrive at such a conclusion. Hardly anyone on boxing scene rates Whyte, but Fury fans are particularly vociferous in their criticism. How, then, are you actually going to use Whyte’s demise as supporting evidence?
What I will reiterate, however, is that with his dimensions, Fury gives any HW in any era a conundrum to solve if nothing else.
Who did Beyonce beat again, other than the geriatric Cuban on heart medication?
Beyonce's been assaulting elderly Cuban citizens? TMZ is telling me nothing!
Clearly Fury is the best. Fury has said himself Wilder is the 2nd best. Wilder would have stopped Whyte in the 1st round if they ever fought. Whyte is a punching bag. Joshua doesn’t have the killer instinct or dog in him. Ruiz beat it out of him. Wilder stops him for sure. Usyk can prove more if he beats Joshua again and maybe a few others. But Wilder would be live against him the entire fight. Luis Ortiz would have killed Whyte and likely beat Joshua as well 3 years ago.
I am waiting for the new, young prospects to grow like the real big baby etc.
Its always a good gas having a go at guessing the hierarchy in the HW division, but your statements all incorporate the words 'would have' which underlines the obvious flaw in this opinion.
'would have' is hypothetical, and boxing simulations aren't the same as getting in the ring. Wilder can go out any time and prove once and for all he is 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best. Maybe none of the above. But he actually has to fight these guys above.
For that matter, Fury's no.1 status is also based on supposition, albeit, there's better supporting evidence for his position than Wilder's. He still has to fight the rest to prove his status.
Just when I was enjoying talking to you about Buatsi I see you agreeing with known troll redeemer…damn.
Lol. I just try and call the statements as I see them, and try to ignore a poster’s rep
Pacquiao got knocked out at lower weights and then came up in weight and started doing the knocking out and people cried he was on steroids.
Canelo got rocked by the lesser Cotto at 147 and then came up in weight and started knocking out bigger guys and actually tested positive for steroids, but where are all the cries for him being on steroids?
How come this logic can be used for Pacquiao, but not Canelo?
This is a serious question too, so for all the Canelo stans please don't get all your panties in a bunch, if you got a legit answer cool, if you want to bitch and moan, please bounce
Can’t comment on Pac-Man, but it’s general consensus that weight draining has an impact on your physical attributes, including power.
Canelo’s steroid was a fat burner, which implies he was struggling to boil himself down to LMW and then 160 to face GGG; something he may not have required had he fought the man years earlier; not sure how much to blame either he, Reynoso or Oscar are for this.
TLDR: while I wouldn’t be surprised if Canelo was doping still (or any boxer, tbf), I think it’s more likely his ‘new found’ power results from being at his natural weight.
lol i still remember that phase on the forum where ortiz would beat everyone easily in division apart from wilder, i swear theres some old thread here about how he would have handled usyk :lol1:
They were the days. Basically, the standings of the HW division were decided entirely upon all of the ranked fighters’ sporting relationship with Wilder. E.g. Ortiz lost valiantly to Wilder, so he must be no.2.
I would argue that the popular view of the HW division on this site is still determined by the same method. Fury is near unanimously considered no.1, but mainly because he beat Wilder, who is still considered no.2 by a substantial amount of people.
Wilder wouldn't just KO Usyk, he would hospitalise him.
Wilder isn't a scared AJ you really think this little man can avoid wilders right hand for 12 rounds?
And when it lands, Usyk isn't Fury, a 280lb ogre relative of shrek with an Easter island head, he's a blown up middle with an E.T head
For sure, if wilder catches Usyk, it’s game over.
Problem is, Usyk’s been in about 250 fights, seen every possible style, and seen them all off. And this is vs. some of the world’s best boxers, or at least boxers that know how to set up punches.
Its all very well Wilder having power, but it’s no good if he’s in against a hardened amateur that can see them coming from a mile away.
I know the potential counter argument to this is that even Fury got caught, but I’ve always argued that it’s because he got his feet caught under him each time, as for all his talents, he has a tendency to do.
By contrast, Usyk’s footwork and balance is next level.
Put my money on TKO for that one, and so confident that I’d bet my account on it, if you’re interested…??
I think he knocks Usyk out. Usyk isn't a magician, he's been hit plenty of times, at some point during the fight he's going to stray into range and Wilder is going to land that right hand, and when he does, Usyk will fall over like a sack of spuds.
Yeah, he’s been hit me plenty of times by people who can set punches up.
If Wilder could set up like any other semi-decent boxer Usyk’s faced, I’d make him favourite, but he’s easy to read (no, I don’t want to get in there and test that out).
On this note, your man, Fury got taken down by Wilder a few times. But I say this not to slate him, but say that when you watch those KDs back, it was apparent that Fury knew what was coming from a mile off. You can see his top half trying to mobilise away from Wilder’s shots, but he couldn’t get his feet to respond in the same manner.
The thing about Usyk is that, even if his chin proves not as solid as Fury’s, his footwork will keep him out of trouble vs. a guy without the IQ necessary to trouble him, IMO. Never say never…
I see people mentioning that Wilder would not have an opportunity to land on Uysk but I think he would have plenty of opportunities.
Usyk is not a defense first fighter. His offense and activity is what wins him fights. I just don't see a scenario where Wilder doesn't hurt hum at least once during a 1e round fight. Not saying he stops him but I see him landing for sure.
Yeah, but my argument is less to do with Usyk’s defensive abilities, and more the fact that Wilder’s a very predictable puncher in a bout where someone not only knows what he’s about to throw, but also, for the first time in Wilder’s career, has the mobility, footwork and reaction times necessary to preempt him.
I see Usyk finding a home for the jab all night, and throwing Wilder off balance before he has time to launch. But ofc, they gotta get in the ring 1st…
Wilder has no chance to Ko Usyk. History dictates it as so. Guys of the level of Uysk just don’t get KO’d by punchers like Wilder, although it doesn’t stop the fans from dreaming that it might happen. Maybe if Usyk was british Wilder could win the first fight by fluke and proceed to get punished and stopped in the rematch.
I’m inclined to agree, but I’d be lying to myself if I did.
Yeah, supreme boxers normally beat one-dimensional boxers, but you can’t honestly say Wilder has ‘no chance’. He’s a puncher, hence, he has a ‘puncher’s chance’. And it just so happens that punch hits like an asteroid.
Whether he gets to land it is a different matter, but he’s live in this fight.
As Deontay himself would say;
Usyk gotta be perfect for 12 rounds, i only gotta be perfect for 1 second.
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Lol. A statement for the ages, especially that last not
Fury came in " Unprepared " for their last fight ?
First i hear about that.
Care to share your source ?
Sorry I can’t (be bothered to) find the links, but in fairness to this dude, all the talk from the Fury camp (if anyone believes it) is that his training got hindered big time by his wife getting into natal difficulties, and that by the time Fury got his head straight, he only managed to get in 6 weeks.
Doesn’t surprise me, tbh. You, I, and everyone else could see he was struggling to get up for a 3rd go, regardless of how serious the personal problems were.
1st thing 1st, boxing fans have to be the most unappreciative group of fans I've ever seen. Everyone is saying that Joshua & Alvarez shouldn't fight Usyk or Bivol again in rematches...what do we want them to do then? Go fight bums for easy pick up fights.
They told Wilder to stay away from Fury & not fight a 3rd fight (1st fight was a draw) & even thought he lost, he gave a good account of himself in that 3rd fight.
Now on to my question, who has a better chance in their rematches? Alvarez or Joshua
Canelo, because he has ring intelligence, and is at least a proper boxer.
Joshua might have an equalizer relative to Usyk that Canelo doesn't have with Bivol (power), but the gulf in technical class between the latter is not as big to traverse as with Joshua and Usyk.
TLDR: Canelo is smart enough and good enough to adjust, AJ is naaaaaat.
this, andrande's resume is trash, he went to his mid 30s with never beating anyone but club fighters and tomato cans, i dont want to hear about how he is a threat to the elites ever again he didnt have the spine to challenge any of them
It is trash, but I don’t think it’s about ‘spine’. I don’t think many boxers are scared of other boxers; at least maybe not as scared as they are of the occasion.
His problems are (1) he has no fan base, so brings no revenue to a match, (2) while he’s not a world beater, he’s a bit slippery to fight, and (3) all his rivals are with other promoters; promoters who hate DAZN and Hearn, so won’t do business with him.
Watch him get matched with which ever MW there is in any new stable he joins.
Oh yeah man... I was trying desperately for a clause, a technicality, but you were too smart alias! I had to follow through... Anyhow as you said, you got me... and we have the ban bet in place.
I put this is the history section and the Dome... We are on baby! haha! Good for you Redeemer.
Ok so: "BIlleau2 versus Redeemeer state the following: this is a ban bet concerning Usyk versus A.J. IF Usyk Wins, Redeemer has to leave the site permanently, IF Joshua wins the fight Billeau2 has to leave the site permanently.
I Billeau2 agree to the above YES
I REdeemer agree to this YES
this bet is on!
Out of interest, are either of you allowed to make an alt account if you lose this bet? Or is it total annihilation?
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He said he watched Beefy & Yafai, what a clown ; you said you dont watch Flyweight's eighter. Confess, you are a fan of 'Rat-Boy' Sunny Edwards, I know this is true -- he is linked up with the Irish-Mafia, Tyson's pals.
A post with substance, I have not read many comments which point-out to the various outcomes of scoring these rounds in Taylor-Serrano. Many fans have a hard-time scoring even rounds, and many more dont even know how to score a 10-8 without a knockdown.
The boxingscene are full of dumbasses.
Cheers for that, but really that criticism of boxing scene fans adequately describes me, too.
Obviously one can see when a round is hilariously one-sided, but just don't like the 10-8 no KDs.
Also, I'm not really as hardcore as yourself, (though one gotta aspire!) hence, find the scoring challenging when fights are quick, and obviously limited angles don't help.
Really suggest that when ppl rewatch this, they stick it on mute, with the playback speed at 0.75!
The Canelo vs Bivol fight 2 is in many ways not even a rematch. Bivol beat Vegan Canelo, a man who has never won a fight. Next, he will face Mexican beef Canelo, who is unbeaten in 9 great years. Nash out.
Vegan Canelo beats on John Fury and Eddie Hills for fun (so I can see why you've dropped them from your P4P list), but loses by split decision to Scott Quigg
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This is Katie Taylor's work from round 2, as you can see this is crap : Taylor hits Amanda on the crown of her head, back of the head, neck, or barely makes any contact ; a lot of Katies shots were blocked. To be fair to Taylor, she lands the best punch of the round @ 1.10 but the majority of her punches are not clean and sloppy.
In real time, these grazing shots with the input of commentators that make mistakes calling the scraping blows hard strikes, convinces the untrained eye.
Compare this to Amanda's consistent steady clean-work, you cant give Taylor round 2.
I got the Amanda winning rounds : 2,4-5-6-10, round 5 is a 10-8. I have not studied rounds 3 in detail but you can also give Amanda a couple swing rounds.
Stop telling me that Katie Taylor beat Amanda Serrano, your a dumbass and should be embarrassed for your low-level of boxing knowledge.
Now get the F-OUT of my thread!
LOL. Thought Taylor lost on the night; draw at absolute max, or Taylor 1 round up if you threatened to shit in my porridge if I didn't say so.
Either 5-3 to Serrano with 2 drawn rounds, 6-3 to Serrano with 1 drawn round
or
5-4 Serrano with 1 drawn round. This last one is probably the one IMO. But it needs a rewatch cos some of them rounds were downright impossible to score.
Haven't given a 10-8 round either cos I don't like them unless there's a knockdown
Imagine what would have happened. Beterbiev would have smoked your ginger idol
Few things frustrate me more in boxing than people stating “fighter y beat fighter x, ergo fighter z will beat x even harder”.
It doesn’t work like that at all. The whole point of fighter y beating x in this instance is that y had a unique skill set tailor made for beating x. Or as you hear often in boxing parlance, “he was all wrong for him”.
This is not to say that fighter z can’t ALSO beat x, and that he WOULDN’T indeed win harder. But the argument upon which this supposition resta is fundamentally flawed by virtue of the fact that fighter z brings a different set of attributes to that table; attributes that might not take fighter X out of his comfort zone.
Redeemer lost virtually all his picks lol. NObody ever made a ban bet with him. Shoulder Roll owned him on a bet... And I will submit the following as proof: Look at how desperately Redeemer has tried to weasel out from this bet. It will be a miracle if he follows through. Ban bet... this guy can't even get a pick right!
Lol, I’m just here for the banter, mate.
I don’t know what’s gonna be on the AJ-Usyk card, but billeau2-redeemer is my personal co-headliner now you guys have ramped the stakes up
at LHW
I'm thinking 12-0.
There would be nothing controversial about it.
Canelo cherrypicked the wrong dude.
10-2, I reckon.
But this 'cherrypick' talk can be absurd sometimes. If you want to clean up at LHW, then you have to fight all of the belt holders. Hardly a 'cherry pick'
I do believe Canelo strategically picked Bivol. I do believe he thinks that Bivol is far less of a threat than Andrade or Charlo. I don't think that's true but I definitely think Canelo does. I think he thinks he has the European style down, but Bivol is on a different level from his past opponents.
I'm sorry, but with respect, Bivol is bigger and far better than Charlo and Andrade.
Hugh, since you are being honest, I got to admit. I doctored those clips to make Taylor look good ; Katie is much worse. I thought if I presented how awful she really is, no one would believe me.
Well you know what P to the J, I feel like a loser now. YES! I do have time to watch EVERY FIGHT IN SLOWMOTION, I'M SORRY.
Lol, you’re a proper shitposter, 1hr, nice work
How come Pacquiao despite suffering a bad ko was able to be fast at age 40 while most guys like Khan lose their speed at 32-33?
Tbh, mate, I'm guessing a large portion of this is down to lifestyle. I mean, Pac must have suffered some speed/reflex decline, but he appears to live the life of a boxer. Wladimir and Vitali still train now, so same for them.
Khan and Brook either degenerate or blow up between fights; in Khan's case, his gap was almost a 4 year interim.
You see it in other sports. In soccer (football for me) it was noticeable who was dedicated to the craft, performing as they could into their late 30s, and who was eating ice cream near constantly, such as Wayne Rooney, who admitted as such, and became shit aged 30.
Sorry, I know this reply would be better suited to Quora