He’s a coward and should retire

They were the days. Basically, the standings of the HW division were decided entirely upon all of the ranked fighters’ sporting relationship with Wilder. E.g. Ortiz lost valiantly to Wilder, so he must be no.2. I would argue that the popular view of the HW division on this site is still determined by the same method. Fury is near unanimously considered no.1, but mainly because he beat Wilder, who is still considered no.2 by a substantial amount of people. Fury is No1 because he beat Wilder. Wilder is No2 because only Fury has beaten him. Ortiz is No3 because only Wilder has beaten him. Nobody else in the division matters. They would all get demolished by the 3 kings.

I thought we were getting Ruiz VS Ortiz. Neither guy is doing crap and stylistically would be a good HW scrap.

lol i still remember that phase on the forum where ortiz would beat everyone easily in division apart from wilder, i swear theres some old thread here about how he would have handled usyk :lol1: He would probably STILL beat Usyk even at 60!

Ortiz's competition has been meager. Other than getting two shots at Wilder he doesn't have a good list of opponents. Now he is just waiting around to get some type of shot or fight another no hoper.

AJ for one and didn't he duck Joe Joyce not long ago? him or parker i know he was supposed to have another big fight. It's too late for Ortiz anyway the man is 43 so i don't care if he fights the big dogs or not he won't beat any imo. I don't believe he ducked AJ (7 mil) or Whyte in the O2 (2 mil plus upside). Haymon always had him in place to build Wider's profile by getting KO'ed (sad but true). Haymon blocked both of those fights. Haymon also blocked Kownacki. Perfect fighter for a Wilder highlight reel KO. That was the plan for Fury and his lineal title but we know how that worked out.

I think the issue has always been that ortiz is on the juice so he needs the timescales to work around his ability to cycle on and off. That is my honest opinion

lol i still remember that phase on the forum where ortiz would beat everyone easily in division apart from wilder, i swear theres some old thread here about how he would have handled usyk :lol1: They were the days. Basically, the standings of the HW division were decided entirely upon all of the ranked fighters’ sporting relationship with Wilder. E.g. Ortiz lost valiantly to Wilder, so he must be no.2. I would argue that the popular view of the HW division on this site is still determined by the same method. Fury is near unanimously considered no.1, but mainly because he beat Wilder, who is still considered no.2 by a substantial amount of people.

Why is kong Ortiz avoiding the big boys at hw? He’s supposedly ranked number 2 in the world and apart from being bodybagged by wilder he has actively ducked anyone with a pulse. - - Frank Sanchez in a classic Cubano El Feo promotion.

Who did he duck ? AJ for one and didn't he duck Joe Joyce not long ago? him or parker i know he was supposed to have another big fight. It's too late for Ortiz anyway the man is 43 so i don't care if he fights the big dogs or not he won't beat any imo.

Why is kong Ortiz avoiding the big boys at hw? He’s supposedly ranked number 2 in the world and apart from being bodybagged by wilder he has actively ducked anyone with a pulse. Who did he duck ?