Used to enjoy making lists but as I learned more about the sport that **** just becomes a chore, far too much work too go into making a legitimate list and I can't just throw a quick one together because I'd be constantly criticizing it and get frustrated that I can't make my mind up on where to put who.
A lot of work and the only reward would be a debate that goes nowhere.
**** Em.
I think Pac is a better boxer and in better shape than Duran was, but Duran moved up with no problem? So why can't Pac?
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He's listed at 5'7 and Roberto Duran was listed at 5'7 (both are same height), fought all the way to super middleweight, and even beat Iran Barkley for the WBC middleweight title. Iran Barkley was listed at 6'1. I think Pac is a better boxer and in better shape than Duran was, but Duran moved up with no problem? So why can't Pac?
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u notice how kovolov said hopkins stevenson fight is already set? and bernard acts like he has something in future interesting
He didn't say that at all, he said its of his opinion that Hopkins would beat Stevenson and the Hopkins can still do something in the division. Nothing about a fight being set at all and if there was why would Kovalev know ?.
Mike didn't have good training camps for either of those fights, he was way past his prime when he fought Lennox and Buster Douglas got the longest 10 count known to man in that fight when he got dropped. We know Wilder's chin is suspect and Joshua stiffens up for 3 rounds every time he gets nailed. Mike wouldn't stop the pressure after landing a single big shot and it's hard to weave and slip vs a much smaller man who uses angles.
Longest 10 count known to man.
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when Jacobs faced off against a McClellan caliber of fighter with Kid Chocolate, he won in the first round via TKO.
Julian Jackson got laid out.
Julian Jackson is very limited slow. Jacobs can deliver his power better and that's why he has a higher finishing rate.
Quillin is not close to being a McClellan caliber of fighter, what are you saying.
Ridiculous.
it was great for his career, yes he would have been the smaller man if he moved up but alot of people who moved up were smaller right?. In haglers biggest fights the opponents came up to him and he was the bigger man true or false? how do u rank his win over duran? he stuck to his weight class and its nothing wrong with that but let floyd had stayed at 135 or went to 140 and stayed, we would never hear the end of it... mayweather is accused of everything under the sun around these parts... and then people act like the greats they praise never did some of the same things he is accused of.
Fair enough, sorry bout the language aha, but Hagler not fighting Spinks or Qawi is no way a duck, like at all. His win over Duran is half decent because Duran just came off the great win against Davey Moore and went on to have some great fights after and his performance in the Hagler fight exceeded most peoples expectations.
For Hagler's biggest fights being against smaller people are you just looking at his fights with Duran and Leonard and ignoring his reign against plenty of natural Middleweights ?.
I disagree though, if Mayweather stayed at 140 and cleared it out, I don't think most people would have a problem with it providing he fought Pacquaio at some point during his stay there, the problem a lot of people seem to have is that he moved up through these weights and the fights that people wanted too happen didn't while he was there and had the opportunity, that's why people see them as a duck, not because he didn't move up weight to fight them but because he had the opportunity to take a risk and didn't.
why didnt he move up like everyone else had to? In all of his biggest fights people had to move up to fight him true or false? Why didnt he go up n fight michael SPINKS or anyone? He was the bigger man in most of his fights. Why did all of the greats around that time have to fluxuate their weight but he didnt? And hagler is in my top 5 so i show him respect i just notice every thing changes with posters when floyd is involved. If you want to say floyd ducked margarito, okay... Who else? Paul williams? And please dont say pac man. Floyd being a ducker is just a safe haven for u guys who hate him its a bit overused imo. But let floyd had never went up in weight (while he had the opportunity) u guys would crucify him...
You really think Hagler not moving up was a bad thing for his career ?, moving up to fight Michael Spinks or Dwight Qawi (Who also called him out and told him too move up) would of been career ****ing suicide, Hagler was a natural Middleweight through and through if he moved up he would of been too small, no one is accusing Mayweather of ducking boxers at higher weights then what he is in at the time, you're twisting it. Floyd being a ducker is a safe haven yet you're accusing Marvin ****in Hagler of ducking people who were that much bigger then he was when he was already ripped as **** at Middle, silly argument.
Are you goin too say that Monzon ducked Bob Foster because he was fighting at Middleweight ?, did Duran duck Monzon while he was fighting at Lightweight ?, **** no, your argument is just wrong.
As for the topic it's impossible too say who trained harder because of how they both push themselves, neither have ever slacked and have been in impeccable shape they whole careers for every single fight, 2 boxers who have been gym rats their whole lives, picking one over the other is splitting hairs.
Leonard vs Duran I, nothing much comes close too it imo,
Wilfredo Vazquez vs Antonio Avelar
Wilfredo Gomez vs Lupe Pintor
Orlando Canizales vs Kelvin Seabrooks
All up there, can't list all of my favorite fights but these are the most recent ones I watched which I enjoyed the most
Had too retire because of numerous injuries including ****ing his back in training which ain't easy too come back from at all, probably won't be seeing him again.
Why can***39;t all people get along with everyone? Why do we have to grow up hating and disliking someone ?— Devon Alexander (@TheRealDevonA) August 11, 2015