Duran did it!!! Why can't Pac move up in weight?

Why can't a fighter who has fought in 8 different divisions move up even more? Is that a serious question? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Now I see Duran did all that stuff and still won the WBC Middleweight Championship and Cotto did the same thing last weekend, trains hard, and is trained by Roach but Pac can't do it. That's right Pac is 5'7 and fights at 147. Austin Trout is 5'10 why cant he just move up to heavyweight? I mean Tyson was 5'10 and a heavyweight, can't Trout just go up to Heavyweight? Terrence Crawford is taller than Cotto should he go to 160? Mayweather is the same height as Arthur Abraham so should he go to 168? Yea that's how fu cking stupid you sound! Just because guys are the same height doesn't mean their bodies are made to weigh more.

I honestly believe Duran threw the fight and got paid, there is no way he would quit and that stomach cramps is BS he threw that sh1t, the way he answered without answering made no sense. He could have beat Ray again if you ask me. If he had cramps and flu he would have been in the crapper moaning and taking a dump right after the fight. His vague answers gave it away. A lot of older great fighters fought fixed fights or were throwing fights, its a shame but its the painful truth. duran no longer wanted to fight, he didnt throw ****, he was getting paid more than he had ever in his entire career, how much more could a fixer pay? duran was out smarted and then out manned

some of these are good points but theres no denying Duran primarily wanted to run away from the spectre of his loss to SRL, it was total himiliation for a "real man" as he called himself. He wasnt even allowed back in Panama for some time, it wasnt till his series of fights with Hearns and Hagler that he found semblance of forgiveness but not complete rehabilitation, cos they were losses. SRL haunted Duran, still haunts him today to some extent. I honestly believe Duran threw the fight and got paid, there is no way he would quit and that stomach cramps is BS he threw that sh1t, the way he answered without answering made no sense. He could have beat Ray again if you ask me. If he had cramps and flu he would have been in the crapper moaning and taking a dump right after the fight. His vague answers gave it away. A lot of older great fighters fought fixed fights or were throwing fights, its a shame but its the painful truth.

Why can't a fighter who has fought in 8 different divisions move up even more? Is that a serious question? He's already fought at jr mw He wouldn't be moving up a 9th division ... It'd be nice to see him actually win that 8th title legitimately though ...

He actually moved up because he could no longer make the weight, he was a fat tub of lard, he has said this many times. Also because he didn't have money he would spend it on food and partying. So he was forced to continue fighting and he hated working out to make weight. Duran and Toney are similar smaller guys who fought outside of their weight class, but they were big guys naturally but first started getting size advantages by cutting a lot of weight early in their career. But wound up at the natural class later on. Duran was a natural welterweight, Toney was a natural light heavyweight or cruiser, he even said he used to weigh around 200 pounds when he used to play football in high school but cut weight to 160 for boxing. Shawn Porter is another big guy fighting way below his natural weight, Porter played football at around 180 but now fights at 147 and even tried to go as low as 140, Porter weight class should be 160. Pac and Floyd are smaller guys, Floyd though is much bigger than Pacman, so that says a lot about what Pac has done, both guys are small but Floyd makes Pac look even smaller. some of these are good points but theres no denying Duran primarily wanted to run away from the spectre of his loss to SRL, it was total himiliation for a "real man" as he called himself. He wasnt even allowed back in Panama for some time, it wasnt till his series of fights with Hearns and Hagler that he found semblance of forgiveness but not complete rehabilitation, cos they were losses. SRL haunted Duran, still haunts him today to some extent.

just a point, without the useless hate, bias and trolling: Duran kept moving up higher and higher because because he wanted to erase the humiliation of the SRL loss, the fact that he quit. It was a monkey on his back which I think still affects him to this day. He actually moved up because he could no longer make the weight, he was a fat tub of lard, he has said this many times. Also because he didn't have money he would spend it on food and partying. So he was forced to continue fighting and he hated working out to make weight. Duran and Toney are similar smaller guys who fought outside of their weight class, but they were big guys naturally but first started getting size advantages by cutting a lot of weight early in their career. But wound up at the natural class later on. Duran was a natural welterweight, Toney was a natural light heavyweight or cruiser, he even said he used to weigh around 200 pounds when he used to play football in high school but cut weight to 160 for boxing. Shawn Porter is another big guy fighting way below his natural weight, Porter played football at around 180 but now fights at 147 and even tried to go as low as 140, Porter weight class should be 160. Pac and Floyd are smaller guys, Floyd though is much bigger than Pacman, so that says a lot about what Pac has done, both guys are small but Floyd makes Pac look even smaller.

just a point, without the useless hate, bias and trolling: Duran kept moving up higher and higher because because he wanted to erase the humiliation of the SRL loss, the fact that he quit. It was a monkey on his back which I think still affects him to this day.

he is a champ in 8 weight classes, that not enough?!!!

Fight night im sure he was. Sure looked 3 divisions bigger than Pac. That is not the same as being a super middleweight

Interesting...I dont recall Margs weighing in at 168lbs...ever Fight night im sure he was. Sure looked 3 divisions bigger than Pac.

Pac already beat super middleweight Margarito who probably is as good as Barkley was, both not too great. But Pac has already more titles in divisions than his peers so no need to step and fight bigger guys, Pacs waiting for his peers to catch up with him. Maybe if Floyd beats GGG, then it might spur Pac on to fight at 154? Interesting...I dont recall Margs weighing in at 168lbs...ever

Pac already beat super middleweight Margarito who probably is as good as Barkley was, both not too great. But Pac has already more titles in divisions than his peers so no need to step and fight bigger guys, Pacs waiting for his peers to catch up with him. Maybe if Floyd beats GGG, then it might spur Pac on to fight at 154?

Lmfao No lie i think Pac could take Hopkins...hell hes freaken 50 years old, pretty sure at that age pac could take his power even at that weight difference. WIsh Pac would take one more ballsy fight, which he hasnt done in a longgg tiime since Margarito (or even say De La Hoya/Cotto)

op is obviously just some newbie casual fan who doesn't even know they have already moved up through a load of divisions

They already made the leap. Talking about it's simple, it's simple math. Let me post it down for you. Up to where they won major title: Sugar Ray Leonard: 147-175lbs: 28lbs Roberto Duran - 126 -168 - 42lbs Tommy Hearns - 147 - 175lbs - 28lbs Manny Pacquiao - 106 - 150lbs - 44lbs Floyd Mayweather Jr - 130-154 - 24lbs Oscar De La Hoya - 130-160 - 30lbs Henry Armstrong - 126 - 147 - 21lbs That is a useful post. Looks like a wide range of weights. Looks like someone can move up to 160.

So my question is simple..why should we give their "historic" careers a pass when other champs before them made the leap. I mean, as a fan, wouldnt you want to see these fights? Dont we want to see our fav fighters challenge themselves and make great fights. I for one, dont care if they lose trying. They already made the leap. Talking about it's simple, it's simple math. Let me post it down for you. Up to where they won major title: Sugar Ray Leonard: 147-175lbs: 28lbs Roberto Duran - 126 -168 - 42lbs Tommy Hearns - 147 - 175lbs - 28lbs Manny Pacquiao - 106 - 150lbs - 44lbs Floyd Mayweather Jr - 130-154 - 24lbs Oscar De La Hoya - 130-160 - 30lbs Henry Armstrong - 126 - 147 - 21lbs

Why are you only attacking Pac and Floyd though, see where it shows your hate? why only Pac and Floyd? Why only them, why? also I bet you criticized Pac and Floyd for fighting Maidana and Bradley and Rios, saying why are they fighting blown up junior welters? Why not say Bradley, Garcia, Rigo, etc should move up to prove greatness? see your bias. Yet you won't say why is that middleweight fighting blown up feathers in Pac and Floyd? see yoru double standard and bias? your opinion holds no weight in this argument. you are Biased, why only hold Pac and Floyd to those standards, its like you are holding onto the past and refuse for others to be great. Pac and Floyd climbed enough divisions, if you were a fair you would discredit the middleweight who beats them. just like you discredit Pac and Floyd for beating a guy at 147 who just moved up from 140, but no you won't. They don't need to go up in weight, your reply is flawed and bias, that would mean Ricardo Finito lopez is a joke because he didnt move up, Marvin Hagler never moved up and his biggest wins are against blown up welters and lightweights. But you only criticize Pac and Floyd. All Pac and Floyd should do is fight the best guys in their division, where they are 100 percent capable. Wow dude. Have a snickers bro. Look man you can write "hate" and "bias" fifty times that doesnt mean its true. Criticism is not hate. And when you have a discussion with someone its best not to put words in their mouth and make wild assumptions. I criticize Pac and Floyd because they've been the two best and most popular fighters for 10 years and because you mentioned them. They are considered the best of this era so why not compare them to the past welter champs? Thats what boxing is all about and, sh*t, they compare themselves all the time with "historic" divisional titles. So my question is simple..why should we give their "historic" careers a pass when other champs before them made the leap. I mean, as a fan, wouldnt you want to see these fights? Dont we want to see our fav fighters challenge themselves and make great fights. I for one, dont care if they lose trying.

Pac started at a lower weight class than Duran. Pacquiao at 147 is the equivalent of Duran finishing his career at 168. What gets me is "Look at Cotto fighting at 160, I bet Floyd wouldn't do that". Like they don't understand that Cotto started 2 full weight classes above where Mayweather started, so it's only natural that Cotto goes up to even a catchweight between 160-168(164-165lbs) to = Mayweather's rise to 154. I mean, would I love to see either Pac or Floyd try for a title at 160? Of course, it could be amazing. But neither guy weighs even 154 on fight night. Why on earth would anyone expect or demand them to move up again? If people want to call for Floyd to defend his 154 title, that's fine since he still holds it, but otherwise chill out.

Pac started at a lower weight class than Duran. Pacquiao at 147 is the equivalent of Duran finishing his career at 168. Why can't a fighter who has fought in 8 different divisions move up even more? Is that a serious question? What gets me is "Look at Cotto fighting at 160, I bet Floyd wouldn't do that". Like they don't understand that Cotto started 2 full weight classes above where Mayweather started, so it's only natural that Cotto goes up to even a catchweight between 160-168(164-165lbs) to = Mayweather's rise to 154.