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no such thing as ko gloves you moron......it's about the size of the gloves not the brand. wow this site has went to the turds............ If you don't know that there are Punchers gloves and there are gloves that better protect your hand then you are a poorly informed Boxing fan. Reyes gloves are universally considered punchers gloves. With that said choosing gloves has been a part of many fighters negotiations and is one of the bargaining chips along with ring size.......etc. Morales's camp didn't allow Pac to where Reye's their first fight. Trinidad and RJJ had the whole Grant/Everlast disagreement. There are a ton of examples. With that said it is clear that PBF negotiated for that to lessen the likelihood of getting hurt. Nothing wrong with that.

both are fighting in 8 ounce gloves.......theres little to NO difference when the gloves are that small. also. heres a fun fact.........can ANYONE provide a link to where ortiz was supposedly prohibited from using reyes? mayweather allowed pac to wear any glove he wanted...........hell. you don't even know what brand ortiz will be using now do you........... it's called speculating & trolling in an attempt to discredit mayweather before the fight even starts MAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a load of losers................... Often called punchers' gloves, the Reyes brand has been popular among trainers and fighters because the horsehair could be moved around and pushed back toward the wrist, leaving the knuckle and hand area with less cushion, and a harder impact.......New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/24/sports/othersports/24gloves.html The gloves they were to fight in were an issue. Pacquiao wanted to wear Cleto Reyes gloves -- known as punchers' gloves -- .....ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2298275 Your "there all 8oz argument" is equal parts laughable and lamentable.

both are fighting in 8 ounce gloves.......theres little to NO difference when the gloves are that small. also. heres a fun fact.........can ANYONE provide a link to where ortiz was supposedly prohibited from using reyes? mayweather allowed pac to wear any glove he wanted...........hell. you don't even know what brand ortiz will be using now do you........... it's called speculating & trolling in an attempt to discredit mayweather before the fight even starts MAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a load of losers................... Very wrong. The distribution of the padding, placement of stitching to materials used. Fighters with fragile hands don't use Cleto Reyes because it protects the hands less. For example Cleto Reyes uses hoarse hair while Everlast and Winning use high density foam. Reyes also has less of the padding around the knuckles than the other gloves. Gatti switched from Reyes to Everlast after multiple hand injuries.

For me it was Morales vs Pac III and Cotto vs Malignagi (sp). http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQhYunoGRBoUOFX00Rwu7YX-vk39o75sowpLFcBHFvfGdEyDGhrQ

Khan did it much more than Cotto who I believe started doing it in the 7th-8th round. With that said I still think it was totally ridiculous for the referee to take away points for the kind of pushing Khan did. Also Smoger is possibly the best active referee out there so I doubt he would've taken points away from Khan if he was the ref for that fight. Ref was overall pretty bad. Tripped and caused a fighter to fall down. Ruled a trip a KD and took 2 BS points away from a fighter. I think the holding behind the head and pushing down was much worse than the pushing.

Overall the fight scored well by the judges BUT the referee did a bad job. He took 2 points away from Khan which was BS and he took 1 point from Peterson counting a KD that was actually a trip. He also tripped Peterson himself which thankfully wasn't called a KD. Those pushing points are total BS but at the same time I can see how 1 point for holding Petersons head should've been enforced a bit more.

"...no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." -George S. Patton

Its amazing how cottos face is not swollen like the first fight. Hmmmm http://twitter.com/#!/OscarDeLaHoya/status/143206747102904320 Add Oscar de la Hoya to the list of people who believe Margarito had loaded wraps against Cotto in their first fight. :boxing: Your not going to prove anything to these guys. Many don't even believe Margarito ever had loaded wraps for the Mosley fight (which he was proven to have had). True story.

These are some absolute facts. -Margarito is demolishing opponents. Even PW's looked like 1 more round and he would've been knocked down or even possibly KO'd. -Margarito gets caught with illegal object in handwraps before Mosley fight. -Margarito looks like he doesn't even belong in the same ring with Mosley. -Margarito is blown out and TOTALLY outclassed by EVERY good opponent since getting caught. He looks like a journeymen with a good beard along the lines of a Carlos Baldomir. I don't see how anyone can dispute the points above.

Sad to say it but since they took away the pads in the Mosley fight Margarito has been a Mexican version of Baldomir.

LOL yeah he tried to do it for the Mosley fight and GOT CAUGHT. So why didn't he GET CAUGHT before the Cotto fight? Oh I forgot Nazim has super X-Ray plaster vision Are you disputing that Margarito attempted to cheat vs Mosley?

We saw the Margarito in the first fight with 2 good eyes have the same thing done to him.......so the answer is NO. The only real difference in this fight was that Margarito's shots in the first half didn't have the same damaging and stamina draining effects it did in the first fight. I think we can all agree that Cotto can outbox Margarito any day of the week. The question was really can Margarito inflict enough damage to slow Cotto down for a late round stoppage. The answer was that Margarito hasn't broken anyone down of note since getting caught with the plaster raps.

Look man, I wont tell you what my job is, but just let you know I have seen a lots of cases in court where someone admitted to do sth, even if it wasnt really the case. That is why I see this case differently. With that being said: I am not claiming 100% that Margarito is innocent. So we are now working off the theory that someone other than Capetillo sneaked into Margarito's locker-room and wrapped his hands with the illegal pad before the Mosley fight? Fact illegal pad was found. A) Either Capetillo knew about it and put it in B) Margarito knew about it and slipped it in the wraps C) Both D) Neither one knew it just magically appeared in the wraps when they cut them open. Damn you David Blaine!

Commission had already allowed Margarito to put it in one of his hands before Naseem Richardson came into Margarito's locker room in time to supervise the wrapping of Margarito's second hand. So obviously they were skillful enough to cheat literally right under the gaze of a boxing official who's very job is to make sure that hands are legally wrapped.

This fight was at 153, first fight was at 147 First fight they wore 8 oz reyes, this fight they wore 10 oz everlasts Marg is coming off a broken orbital bone from Pacquiao. Those are all MAJOR differences Your talking about the REASONS for what happened, I'm talking about what ACTUALLY happened. Look at the first 5-6 rounds in both and they are EXTREMELY similar almost exactly the same actually. DIfference in THE ACTUAL FIGHT was that Margarito's early work didn't have the same effect in the Second half of the fight in the rematch that it did in the first fight. Now you can debate the Reasons for that but the actual fights were damn near identical.

Cotto and the fight looked almost identical to the first fight. Cotto, outclassing Margarito with superior boxing. Difference in this fight was that Margarito's usual arm punches to Cotto's body didn't have the same effect that it had in the first fight. Cotto's endurance was sapped via Margarito's "plaster power" in the first fight. With no plaster Cotto would've kept boxing for 12 round in the first fight like he did for 9 rounds in this fight.

lol did you ever think maybe the commission waits until both hands are wrapped then checks because they have to sign off? LOL at being skillful its impossible to hide plaster soaked wraps Why didn't Cotto's guy who watched notice? Why didn't the ref in the ring feel anything? Why didn't anybody in the ring after the fight notice plaster wraps? And if its so easy then do you honestly think Margarito is the only fighter doing it? Dude your wrong in so many ways its not even worth pointing out all the ways. The ref's job isn't to make sure the gloves are wrapped legally its the commissions first off. Secondly Cotto didn't have a guy in Margarito's locker to supervise the handwrapping. As evidenced by Nazeem Richardson's testimony they already had one hand wrapped before Richardson entered the room. So obviously Margarito's camp doesn't wait for opponent representative to begin taping. lastly are you truly that idiotic that your arguing Margarito's guilt in the Mosley attempted cheat? I've already illustrated how it can be done under supervision of an inspector. If you want to live in denial then so be it. /thread

Booking MSG is actually much harder than booking Vegas or pretty much any other venue in the US. So many events take place in MSG that you have to book ridiculously ahead of time and even then some time slots will not be available. MSG has Knicks, Rangers, Tons of Concerts, Circus, College Basketball...etc

Interesting Mexican perspective. Thanks for the link.

Agree! I am not protecting Margarito in any way, but I think there is highly possible that someone (DLH) wanted to screw him and his career. And tonights fight isnt any proof to me that Marg cheated in first fight. Cotto just fought more intelegent yesterday and was not hit as many times. Are you guys really that retarded or did you just start watching boxing this week? Capetillo ADMITTED TO putting the pads in for the Mosley fight. He admitted that Illegal Pads were in the wraps but that they were put there BY HIM but BY MISTAKE. You and Trojan appear to have no clue as to the pre and post fight boxing procedures so honestly stop embarrassing yourselves. Back to OT.....you asked how someone could possibly get away with putting in a pad. I PROVED how someone DID get away with it (Margarito had 1 hand approved). Yet you still are in denial. Its obvious you didn't create this thread to legitimately ask a question but to merely attempt to make further excuses for disgraced fighter.

Funny thing about this stupid thread is that Cotto is one of the least sh1t talkers in the game. Him and Glenn Johnson.

Agree. Cotto was superb. A tall, Mexican, Baldomir with obscene stamina. He still beats Cintrón, though. Yeah, I agree with the Cintron fight but Clottey would've beat him IMHO. some fighters just are mentally brittle. They are tough but they crack where others might bend and sometimes even persevere. Ortiz, Cintron and Judah I think all fall into that brittle category.

Who has Andre Ward supposedly ducked? Just curious because no one mentioned him yet. I would also put Nonito Donaire in there. He has had hard time getting fights since the Vic win but that was mostly because of management problems not him ducking anyone.

What short sited people we have here. The first 6 rounds of this fight were nearly identical to the first fight. That was with a Prime Margarito. Margarito was outclassed in the first 6 rounds in Both fights and losing. However, Margarito (who throws arm punches) was able to land a limited amount of good body shots and in both fights with Cotto mostly head hunting and fighting backing up. Only real difference between the fights was the EFFECT that those same punches had on Cotto. In the 2nd fight the punches didn't have the same effect and so Cotto was able to make rounds 7-9 look like 1-6. Without plaster Cotto would've kept boxing Margarito in the first fight to a Unanimous Decision IMHO.

Margarito was breaking down. It is similar to the 7th-8th rounds in the Mosley fight. Mosley felt Margarito breaking down and started to actually push Margarito back against the ropes and choose to exchange more with Margarito. Mosley wouldn't have made that decision if he felt Margarito was still a big threat. He obviously felt Margarito had weakened that why he did that. Same with Cotto. They exchanged more on the inside NOT because Margarito wanted to but because Cotto choose to and it was Margarito with his back to the ropes when they were fighting on the inside.

I don't see Cotto winning this fight. I think a non-dehydrated Cotto takes Pac's punch better and finishes the fight but I think Pac would beat Cotto 9/10 times. Stylistically he matches up extremely well even against a prime Cotto. I do however think that a prime WW Cotto had an excellent chance of beating Mayweather.

The OP is sorely mistake. Canelo is the younger fighter BUT has equal experience. Canelo has also fought better competition than Jr. (which isn't that hard). Jr has already or is nearly reaching is maximum potential. Canelo has tapped into a lower percentage of his potential and has a higher ceiling. Canelo is better today and should be on the incline for another 7-8 years. Chavez jr will be peaking in the next 2-3 years. The only thing Chavez has over Canelo is that he has a better name.

I wouldn't out Margarito as that up there. He threw a lot but they were not crispy or have great form. I would say Juan Diaz was much better because early in his career his punches kept there snap and quickness. Margarito could afford to throw arm punches because he had bricks in his gloves and knew he just needed volume and to keep touching his opponents with his loaded gloves.

I'm slightly torn here. Vazquez is one of my favorite fighters and it would be sad to see him go but I want him to have a productive life after boxing. The last thing I want to see is for him to fight as a shell of his former self and get beat badly i.e. Corrales after the 2nd Castillo fight.

Hatton has always been fairly high on the talent level. Its his skill which is lacking some what. He has won many fights because of this. But its also why he can't make the next step.