Victor weighing in at 161 seems pretty big, and to think he was moving up from 140. Berto coming in at 156 lbs seems about right.
If they are in tip top shape, they usually come in around 147-150....floyd usually is 147. 161 is a little over the top for a WW IMO..
This weight in system is all screwed up. U have fighters almost killing themselves to compete in smaller weight classes then putting on 10-15lbs of water weight within 24hrs just to have an advantage. They should go back to same day weigh-in's in my opinion.
yeah man, coming in the ring as a middle weight or JMW fighting WW or LW kind of defeats the purpose of the weight classes. But you can also look at it from their prespective....They are kind of at a disadvantage because they do have to kill themselves to make weight...its confusing man..I still say if u weigh 161 u need to be fighting Martinez and those others JMW/MW
The problem is that you said, "IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE"
If it wasn't even close then why was it that in the 10th round, Morales had Maidana's number? Maidana looked demoralized, tired and ready to pack it in.
Morales had the problem of the eye since round one. Sure, I will be the first to say it's part of boxing but you still need to take into account that even though Morales had vision problems he did very good. To me, it appeared that his eye problem closed shut and gave him way too much problems at the end to continue the way he was doing in the middle rounds up to and including the 10th round.
As for your spurts comment: Maidana did the same thing. Often he tried to smoke Morales with 10 punch combination then tire himself out then try to look good the last 10-20 seconds of the round. Meaning Maidana did things in spurts as well and more importantly, you may not have realized it but Maidana missed A LOT of his punches. Morales had a higher connect ratio.
Again, you are not disputing who won. You are saying "it wasn't even close ".
It was close. 2 judges had it 116-112 and one had it a draw. 1 HBO analyst had Morales winning the other had it a draw. If you want to discuss a fight that was not even close. Just look at the the fight between Guerrero and Katsidis.
Do you think, from looking at Maidana's corner's reaction just prior and as they announced who won, that he knew he had won to the point of saying it wasn't even close?
At one point in the fight, Maidana's corner said, "you made Morales even this fight up"
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Like I said...I have no clue what fight u were watching or the judges. THe first few rounds Morales looked old, his timing was off, he couldnt land nothing clea. Marcos was putting leather on him had him stubbling off balance into the ropes taking shots to his dome and body. We just knew if the fight kept to that pace as the first few rounds that the night was gonna be early for Morales because it wasnt looking good at all. Towards the middle of the rounds Morales did look a little better COMPARED TO THE FIRST FEW ROUNDS. But was he doing more then MARCOS??? NOT AT ALL. you keep talking bout the 10th round as if thats 12 rounds in one?? Yeah he looked good that round because marcos was taking a break from stalking him the whole fight. THen after the tenth it went back down hill for morales. He finished the fight the way it started....whooping morales ass....They made the fight closer because of morales star power...they said it would be cool if they gave him the victory...FIGHTS DONT WORK LIKE THAT...Pretend like we have no clue who both fighters are, turn the volume down, and watch the fight again....Marcos shut him out..
Morales got hit in that first round and his eye just kept on swelling to the point that Morales was fighting with one eye completely shut.
Morales was all over Maidana in the 10th round so not sure which fight you were watching. At that point Maidana looked demoralized, tired, and ready to pack it in.
Unfortunately that eye did Morales no favors. At the end of that 10th round, Maidana hit Morales with a couple of big shots and when he went back to the corner his corner told "See, he can't see your punches, you have him"
It appeared to bring Maidana's spirits up enough to take the last 2 rounds. That coupled with Morales having a harder time with his eye completely shut. Not only with defense (not seeing Maidana's punches) but also offensively (not able to judge the distance between himself and Maidana)
lol...the fight started off with Morales getting his ass kicked and it ended with morales getting his ass kicked. All your doing is making excuses for why Morales lost the fight. Morales had two eyes when he walked from his dressing room to the ring. He left the ring to his dressing room with one of them completely shut. Morales is the type of fighter that the people love and want to see win. Just like Roy Jones, no matter how many times he loses you want to see him win, and even if his getting his ass beat and putting up a semi good fight, you want it to lean in his favor. Morales fought his heart out, i give all credit for lasting 12 rounds. But to sit here and say that the fight was close and that it could've been a draw is bogus. Marcos smothered him like pork chops the whole fight, landing blows over morales whole body. From time to time Morales would put his punches together nicely like old times, but that was here and there. And yeah Morales looked good when he did over all his is the better boxer of the two, just past his time. Marcos was touching Morales more then morales touched him...Morales lost that fight and it wasnt even a close contest....like I said he looked good in spurts, those spurts werent enough to win majority of rounds just cuz you want the man to win...
I have to agree actually. Everyone got caught up with his flurries after Maidana did all the work.
sometimes people need to watch fights with the volume on mute. They tend to repeat everything the commentators say...its crazy smh..
For me personally, it's if a fighter who used to be able to go the full 12 and gasses early. Now, before people starting thinking about Shane I may remind you that he still went the full 12 rounds in in his last two matches. So think of other examples.
My def of a shot fighter is: Cotto, Margarito, Oscar de la hoya, Jermain Taylor, Roy Jones etc.
Anything that compares to them they are shot.
Fighters that cant do what they use to, end up going into survive mode all the time. Keep getting ko, beat by lesser opponents, cant land a ppv fight because they keep getting beat and the list goes on....oh and shane is shot...FLoyd shot him lol
Not my concern. It can be boring, I suppose. No one is forcing you to watch. I love boxing. Anything boxing-related will generally hold my interest.
Casual fans don't know any better. They have heard of Mosley and they know Pacquiao is a beast. This fight would sell if they have no build up other than standard promotion. It'd help if they were egotistical douche bags that hammed it up on some 24/7 type program. But the fact of the matter is that if it's fake, casual fans would likely not care any more than they do now.
Highlight reels sell fights more than any other form of promotion.
The only casual fan here is u fool. Me personally, a guy that watches boxing doesnt want to see shane mosley vs pac man. The guy has been lost two back to back times. Shane hasnt won a fight in 2 years and Manny is still fighting fighters coming off loses. I know what this fight is about, and thats a safe fight for manny while making money at the same time. All I ask as a FAN OF BOXING is to make the pre hype a little more interesting that way i dont feel to bad of them raping me if i do decide to get the fight just for the sake of it....dumb ass
if it happens, will u watch it?
Yeah...I think everyone is ready to see floyd back in action...even the people that dislike him..
Its not about this fight really...if this fight happens people are going to be looking forward to the real deal..which is whats next..
Imagine the monster he'd be ..... or maybe im just wrong .....
ur wrong, floyd has went up against some of the best fighters in the world that had top trainers. Hell he even went up against oscar who was being trained by his father who switched up and got roach. He whooped Mosley who was being trained by nazim richardson. The trainer cant fight for you.
I don't know why, but I have this weird feeling that he's kissing that 0 good-bye and it will happen soon. He's 34 yeard old and very inactive.
Not trying to make excuses for him but, you cannot take one fight a year and expect to be able to compete at the top of your game, something will go...reflexes, timing, speed or overall skills. Floyd can only blame himself if this happens.
any fighter that keeps fighting will lose, it happens to all fighters. But according to so called "boxing fans" loses dont mean anything...because most of the boxers have loses.
Considering the fact that Vernon and Mosley are both around the same height Mosley being 5'9-5'10 give or take. And Vernon being about 5'10-6'0' I'd say it was an even fight on paper. Even in the ring Vernon caught shane with some good punches but shane also came back with some heat catching Vernon often. Vernon hurt shane and out boxed him and he gets all the credit in the world for that win.
Mayweather who is only 5'7' if that fought a bigger mans fight that night. He didnt box shane he WALKED shane down. Shane caught floyd with one good punch and from then on out he never hit him flush again. Floyd was hurting shane with those zipping rights and could've stopped him in the later rounds but his corner didnt throw that towel in. Had they fought 5 years ago when floyd was actually faster then he is now he'd a ko shane early. I'd say over all Floyd put the worst whooping on shane.
Both Winky and Vernon beat him when he was young and on roids so they get more cred for their victory, Floyd beat an old Shane that had already been beat from pilar to post.
So if we go off your theory of beating fighters first. Why didnt Floyd get fighter of the decade for beating hatton first? why didnt Margarito get fighter of the decade for beating cotto first?
I want the fight to happen. I just want Manny to stop playing games and be realistic. He doesnt deserve a 50/50 split. And whatever cut off date they agree to is fine. Just dont come out in the media and say "ill agree to 14 days"...what 14 days?? This is a new day!
forrest fought an undefeated mosley near his prime floyd fought him at the point where he was at the end of his career and inactive for over a year. come on lets be real about this floyd fought the weakest version of shane out of all those fighters
Man thats the most WEAKEST excuse ever! The form says who gave mosley the worst ass whooping? The answer is FLoyd. I aint talking bout who got staggered or who threw the hardest body shot. Overrall ass whooping was that was put on Mosley came from floyd for 10 rounds straight. You can't name no other fight that shane was in when his head was getting snapped back. Shane hit Floyd one good time! I cant even count how many punches he landed on forrest, winky, and cotto.
No you want to bring up age. News flash Mosley is 5 years older then Floyd if they fought 5 years ago, Mosley would be 33 and floyd would be 28. The fight couldnt have happened then so stop complaining damn. And shane wasnt inactive he just set on his belt waiting for a Money fight. You give shane an excuse for not fighting but Floyd retired for a 16 months and was labled as ducking. Mosley beat margarito and sits on his belt for 17 months and he's considered inactive...hahah haters!
if Manny gives up a bigger split....the fight will happen IMO....floyd won't pass up the kind of money at stake.....the other alternative if Pac continues to be stubborn about the money (like he always is) is for him to fight Margo in Texas.....a fight that will do over 1 million PPv buys, maybe slightly more than 1.4....and then 50/50 is kosher!!!!!
Margarito vs Pacman will not do 1.4 million buys or more. We talking about a guy who just got his clock cleaned last year. A man who cheated and damged cotto for life. No one wants to see Margarito vs Pacman. Pacman needs to take on a serious opponent like FLoyd, Bradley, Berto, Alexander, Khan, etc. Margarito is a straight forward slower then dog shit fighter.
Oscar, hatton, Cotto, CLottey were all coming off loses when Pac chose to fight them. Margarito is coming off a huge lost and a years lay off!!
Pac hates getting blood drawn really close to fight night. I guess you dont remember Pac losing to Morales. Pac and his team doesnt trust the OST testers paid by Mayweathers/DLH, and if its random they might draw blood on Pac right to the day before fight, again back to Morales incident.
So you honestly believe in your heart that Manny Pacquiao lost to Erik Morales due to a blood test the day before? If thats the case why didnt he lost to Marquez when he was cut above the eye & bleeding from the nose? He lost more blood cut a gash above his eye then a the amount of blood it takes to collect a sample. That doesnt make since to me at all. The thing is Erick out boxed him and that was his excuse for losing instead of saying "Erik was the better man". What was his excuse for getting ko twice?
Mosely was an old man needed a cane in there lol Too old, no stamina mouth opened in the 4th round. He couldn't keep up no stamina for an almost 39 year old fighter. Just too old.
Oh yea, he looked sensational in the margarito fight coz maybe he juiced up that time coz that's what a self confessed juicer will do if his an old boxer to compete in the highest level, but yup floyd didn't allow him to juice up so he saw the real Mosely without any help of peds.
Mosely looked like a prune who just couldn't fight with a younger fighter.
If it was a young primed mosely who fought Floyd. Floyd would have his 2nd loss already ( castillo his first loss ). Mosely would have finished him of for sure.
It just means Mosely prime > Mayweather prime. Kapeesh! End of story.
Mosely is a gassed out prune who was after his last big payday.
Mosely prime vs Mayweather prime. Mosely will knock him out cold for sure and Floyd won't even have a chance to get up. :fing02:
Imagine: Mayweather was holding on for dear life. If mayweather weren't holding Mosely that would have been his first real Knocked down for sure.
Watch it guys, he was holding mosely like his life depended on him.
Without his holding he should have been knocked down. And a prime Mosely would have demolished him right after.
Mosely all day! Prime vs Prime
Prime Mosley with roids in him DUCKED A PRIME FLOYD....:****you:
Well to be fair, Only one fight was on PPV. But, that might help your point :dunno:
But, also that one fight that was on PPV, Pac-JMM, till this day holds the record for the biggest PPV fight under the LW division. It broke records and it still holds those records.
But, I don't expect you do know all this info since you just like many others on here recently became fans of the sport.
I could careless what the purse split is. Real true boxing fans should not care about this. I don't care if Floyd or Pac get 99% of the purse while the other guy gets 1%. Nobody should care unless you personally are getting some money out of the split.
Now if Floyd is paying you guys do care so much then tell me where I can get the hook up? Show me the line and I will go and represent Floyd and talk about how he should get the bigger split. Because, that is the only reason you should talk about this.
But, again you like many others on here are not true boxing fans.
great come back.."Manny vs Marquez holds the record and i wouldnt know that because im new to the sport". I hear that one often. Well Floyds been on PPV 8 times and 24/7 4 times. Floyd career goes back all the way to his olympic days. It took him one year after turning pro to become world champ & has been champ since as well as dominating weight classes. Yo boy on the other hand was getting ko with body shots back in the day. But i wouldnt know that cuz i just tuned in!
Floyd really has no brain!!! Why is he comparing Mosley to Clottey!!?? The basis should be with the Cotto fight!!
Thats a no brainer...Mayweather vs Mosley and Pac vs CLottey are the two fighters last fights, thats why he's comparing them. If thats the case Floyd should compare his Oscar fight which holds the record to Pac vs Cotto.
manny agreeing to a 21 day cutoff is still him willing to take tests far stricter than what the commission requires.
more so with the 14 days.
what's so hard to understand about that?
Why do you pactards bring up the commission?? In Mannys CONTRACT he wanted floyd to pay 10 million for every lbs. Thats crazy! But its what Manny put in his CONTRACT. FLoyd put in the CONTRACT that they subject themselves to random testing. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMMISSION. the commission can still do their job. Manny either agrees or not. He chose NOT! So stop bringing up the commission and learn a thing or two about contracts.
he would have gotten his ass whooped like mosley still maybe worse. im tired of people saying if manny this and that. well manny had marquez down 3 times hurt n broken nose yet he almost lost 11 straight rounds lol. all that shit manny is too fast and this and that. well marquez was able to handle it with just a simple step back or to either side. he might have lost a fight and drew another but marquez is no mayweather as we saw. floyd will whoop manny ass. and people who say manny dont stop punching. thats them comparing him to people who dont punch back when ever he fought anyone good and fought back manny stops plenty of times and fights in burst of predictable movements. he is no better or worse than when he fought marquez he jsut fought bigger guys that jsut arent better than marquez so it made him look better.
i bet my NSB account that floyd beats the shit out of manny. **** points i been here for 5 years and still dont know what to do with them. im happy manny looks invincible to casual fans and manny lovers because it make it easier to make a bet with real money against him. no real fan i know would bet against floyd
U hit it on the head...I dont need to say anything further!
U mentioned all bums...Wheres Bradley? Alexander? Khan? he wouldnt fight paul...Manny fights slow people that come forward thats coming off a huge lost. The only person that leaves is......
Margarito!
You really did just tune in to the sport. Because, you would of known that Pac was a lineal champion in one of the original 8 weight-class back in the the late 90's, he won his first lineal champion and that is the real title and also the WBC title when he was a teenager.
But, again you do not know that. Since you just barely tuned in to the sport. You have not followed it long enough. Get some more knowledge and then comeback to me.
I just tuned in to the sport according to you, correct? But anyone that knows anything about boxing knows that styles make fights, correct? Anyone that claims to really follow the sport knows that any PURE BOXER will beat a slugger, correct? If you follow boxing as though you claim to do, then why would you pick Manny Pacquiao to win over Floyd? YOu dont have to be a Floyd fan to see NATURAL TALENT. Manny hasnt had a legit fight since Marquez. He fought all of floyds & Margaritos left overs after they were stretched and then he stripped them of their weights. You soud wet behind the ear when it comes to this boxing talk. How bout u school yourself and keep it moving cuz i dont have time to regrade stupidity.
Arum wants Marg, Pac wants Mayweather.
Get it straight.
Oh cuz Arum stated that as well so his word is GOLD. Manny wants no part of floyd. He trimbles when he hears that name!
You're going to talk about Jones? Jones is my #1 favorite fighter but even Reed will tell you he's the last guy you want to mimic. Jones was all mostly handspeed and reflexes/foootwork. You can't bring up Jones in a jab conversation man lol.
How do you think Wlad dominates his opponents? Using footwork? You need a good jab to beat Floyd. Pac doesn't have that, Mosley didn't have it, Hatton didn't have it, DLH had it and won in one of the judges' scorecards. One of the only scorecards Floyd ever lost as a pro, coincidentally came against a guy with a good jab?
As a Floyd fan I agree some what. I think any fighter lacking a nice SNAPPING JAB isn't a complete fighter. Now rather it takes a jab to beat FLoyd is opinion. Because in my opinion you can have a good jab but once floyd figures u out its a wrap. BUt in the case of Oscar vs Mayweather i dont think it was the jab that won him the score card. I think it was just his name because with or without the jab Oscar didnt land any clean punches. Plus floyd fought him at LMW a weight he had never fought at. Oscars comfortable weight. Had the fight been at 147 Floyd would've murdered oscar and his jab. But Pac is too short, less reach, off balance, no defense, weak body (been ko twice with body shots) poor foot movement. I'd say manny is lacking more then a jab!
lmao at these pactards..all they can say is"fighter of the decade"lol
And how is Pac fighter of the decade? Within the last ten years we've had real champs. Besides Floyd, Tyson, Roy Jones, Forrest, Gatti, Chico Corales vs Castilo (best fight of the decade). How do they by past fighters like that and give it to manny? A fighter who has lost within the last 10 years and out boxed twice by marquez??? Who he beat? Oh hatton & oscar after floyd? And cotto after margarito destroyed him first...give me a break!
They need to see Pacquiao's fight before they can call floyd a coward???
I don't see the connection... can anybody?
well let me explain it to you pactards...I forgot u peanut heads were slow. They start the video off by saying..MAnny beat this big man blah blah blah. The white guy says, does Manny need a floyd fight to be considered great. The black guy..who the cowardly floyd? Basically saying Floyd is scared to fight Manny and that Manny doesnt need the fight. My whole thing is How can you consider someone scared or a coward of a fighter you havent watched??
Then he said he READ where Manny was allowing Marg to finish the fight. It reminded him of an Ali fight??how is an article going to remind you of a fight when u never seen the damn fight....YOu didnt make that connection?? Must got some screws loose...
also is ts a retard what has a pac fight gotta do with calling someone a coward, why does he have to watch it lol
Are they not talking bout FLoyd and Manny?? He;s saying floyd is scared to face manny but yet he hasnt watched Manny fight. How can he make that claim?? oh let me guess, he read some articles from another pactard?? lmao
Then he compared the Manny vs Marg fight to an Ali fight?? How can he make that kind of assumption when he never watched the damn fight..
The ts isnt dumb...its u