What defines a 'shot' fighter to you?

De La Hoya (vs Pacquiao) Roy Jones (vs Calzaghe) Ray Leonard (vs Terry Norris) Anyone who uses shot to describe someone that is simply not in their prime anymore eg De La Hoya and Mosley (vs Mayweather) or Cotto and Margarito (vs Pacquiao) r using the word incorrectly. (But, it could be safe to say that Margarito is shot, we don't know yet)

I dont completeley agree if you lose once you are shot,but for some fighters one loss has detroyed them. Jermain Taylor and Kelly Pavlik come to mind. Sometimes that first loss can expose a lot of weaknesses in a fighter. it called sarcasm u fukking idiot. when first come to this site, im realy surprised with some "expet" here who called vargas was shot after trinidad, tyson was shot after 1990, barerra was shot when he fight pacman or hatton was shot after mayweather. no way....... vargas just doesnt belong with trinidad and oscar tyson doesnt have champion mentality and think he is superman barerra-pacman bad style match-up hatton was dumb to think he can toe to toe with pacman.

Ali in 78', Roy Jones 05', Ray Leonard 91'

For me personally, it's if a fighter who used to be able to go the full 12 and gasses early. Now, before people starting thinking about Shane I may remind you that he still went the full 12 rounds in in his last two matches. So think of other examples. My def of a shot fighter is: Cotto, Margarito, Oscar de la hoya, Jermain Taylor, Roy Jones etc. Anything that compares to them they are shot. Fighters that cant do what they use to, end up going into survive mode all the time. Keep getting ko, beat by lesser opponents, cant land a ppv fight because they keep getting beat and the list goes on....oh and shane is shot...FLoyd shot him lol

The Larry Holmes beating was better like I was saying.

I think Juan Diaz is shot, which is kinda sad, considering that he's only 27 years old and finally got his law degree, so he can concentrate on boxing full time if he wanted.

I don't know about that. He's won all his recent fights. We'll see how shot he is during the Maidiana match.

I hate ali with every fiber in my body. I will devote my life to making sure he loses his rep. He was the worst, fascist, human being there was next to Hitler and Stalin.

A 'prime Ali' getting chopped down with his big mouth by Larry Holmes. One of the best one-sided beatings I ever had the pleasure of witnessing. Three words for ali 'ha ha ha.' Let's see you dance now cocksucker while you get your diapers changed! I'm not a particularly big fan of Ali as a person but that was very cold blooded.

When you take beating(doesn't necessarily have to be a loss) and never get another significant win.

A 'prime Ali' getting chopped down with his big mouth by Larry Holmes. One of the best one-sided beatings I ever had the pleasure of witnessing. Three words for ali 'ha ha ha.' Let's see you dance now cocksucker while you get your diapers changed!

Struggling to beat or losing to someone they would've completely outclassed in their prime. Though I like It's Ovah's definition a bit better.

one loss = past prime That as well.

one loss = past prime

There isn't any one single criterion for being shot. Generally it's a combination of things, which taken together mean the fighter in question can no longer perform at the level he once did. He may still win fights of course, but the things which defined him as great (assuming he was great in the first place) are either absent or diminshed. For instance, a fighter once renowned for his slick head movement and ability to dodge punches might start to get touched up more by punches that he would easily avoid in his prime years. Or a fighter known as a tough, come forward brawler no longer seems to have the fire or killer instinct to really lay it on guys. Of course the reasons for this are different in every case. Simple ageing might be a factor, which would generally result in slowed reactions, heavier legs or a greater detrimental toll on the body when making weight, along with a host of other problems unique to the fighter in question. Too many wars could adversely affect the fighter's brain, psychologically, neurologically or both. A string of bad KO losses or similarly shocking events might shatter the fighter's confidence in himself, and if this is the crux of his success then it would generally have a pretty big effect on the fighter's performances in the future leading to further complication down the line. Like I said, it could be any one of these things or more, depending on what made the fighter great in the first place, and its effects can sometimes be very subtle. But I think one thing common to all the above is that in all cases it's an irreversible condition. A fighter can't become "unshot" any more than a fighter can reverse the aging process. That's why it's important to have a good sample of recent performances stretching out at least over a couple of years before making the judgement on whether or not the fighter is truly shot. Some fighters might temporarily lose their confidence after a bad loss and require it to be built up slowly to reach the level they once were at. Others might simply have fundamental flaws in their style exposed and require going back to the drawing board. These people aren't shot, they've simply hit a rooadblock in their careers which requires navigating around. A shot fighter on the other hand hasn't just reached a roadblock, they've come to the end of the road, and all that's left in front of them is a gaping chasm yawning into blackness. I can't speak for anyone else, but I can generally recognise a shot fighter by an instinctive feeling of sympathy whilst watching them, along with a sadness in the knowledge that the fighter I once loved to watch will never again be the man he once was, will never again put on the kind of performance that once had me jumping out of my seat or screaming at the TV, will never regain what is now clearly gone forever. And I usually realise that I've been subconsciously feeling this way for a long time. Recognising a shot fighter is as much letting go of your hopes and expectations as it is anything else.

Some guys just have a few years at peak or when they are competitive. You need to be disciplined to retain condition levels the older you get. Hatton, for example, has no discipline and that is why he is shot.

For me, what makes me say when a fighter might be or is shot, is when they can't do what defined them as great fighters anymore. When DLH said he just couldn't pull the trigger on his jab against Mayweather, i knew he was done. When I saw how hesitant Mosley was in throwing the right hand against Mora, I suspected he might be shot as well.

Reflexes are deminished, can't pull the trigger anymore, can't assimilate punishement and are easily hurt. Body breaks down of so many years of intense training and punishment. Some fighters just mentally can't compete at the level and are not confident any more. Some fighters reach that point quicker than others. But at times there is one good fight left in an over the hill fighter

the way hopkins didnt have any of the foot work he normally does against pascal is a shot fighter or atleast a fighter thets on a major down hill slide. by the way i thought hopkins won that fight but it was all his experiance and skill thet carried him and not his physical attributes