I know his cousin and live in the same city he grew up in. His family will swear up and down he’s cheap and all the spending is for show and that he really saves all of his money.
I can’t agree with that anymore. There’s no way he would be coming back at 49 if he had money. He’s just dumb. He lived life like he was a multi $billionaire instead of just a hundreds millionaire. He couldn’t afford a plane, but he bought one. He couldn’t afford to fly all over the world with an entourage, but he did. He’s broke, and he’ll end up broke in the end no matter what. He became addicted to being the big shot and flashy spender.
He’s going to end up a penniless bum who trains fighters to be able to eat.
Paul had his mouth open when he got hit. Thats a boxing no no and the result was brutal. Theres closeups of the inside of his mouth and you can see his back 4 teeth on the lower left side disconnected and tilted sideways.
It’s a brutal injury, even for boxers. If that punch had landed a few inches higher hes leaving the ring on a stretcher. Getting KOed like Nganou did looks worse, but this injury is worse than getting put ti sleep for a minute. You’re taking meals from a straw for weeks. Your jaw won’t be ready to take a punch for a year. Jake might have residual pain for life.
It's not courage and he wasn't brave. Anyone could and would do what he did given the money offered.
He might have been slightly brave if he actually tried to box rather than playing this weird game of "how long can I run around and wrestle without getting stopped".
It highlighted that this Jake Paul stuff is a freak show and always was a freak show. He's not a boxer and should no longer be sanctioned as such. Boxers make fights and then go in to fight. They don't do the comedy skit running away thing.
If someone wanted to argue that he put himself at risk for the financial benefit of undercard fighters and particularly the female co-main then I might have more sympathy with that view.
He was brave for getting up from those knockdowns knowing he was going to get KTFO. He could have stayed down in the 5th and saved himself what the people paid to see.
They were 2 min rounds - so 6 rounds equates to an actual 4 rounds of standard duration. Still, Jake exposed a bit of the robot in AJ and he did eat some big shots so he isn’t a chinless wonder nor one hit quitter. I’m not a fan of Paul’s but will call it as I see it.
It was 3 minute rounds last night. I give Paul credit, he kwot getting uo because he knew the fans came ti see him get KOed and he delivered.
Jake took a lot of punishment. He’s an amateur and doesn’t know how to roll with punches. He got tuned up and probably has some internal problems worth going to the hospital for. Took a liver shot that would have folded a lot of pro fighters. Took shots to the shoulders and arms that are going to hurt for days or weeks.
He got knocked down 3 times and beat the count when he could have just saved himself the KO and stayed down. He got up knowing he was 100% getting up to get KOed. Earned my respect. And he got up after the KO even, just was a second late to beat the count. He was 100% determined to go out on his shield.
It was a master performance in the sweet science. And that made it not very exciting. Unless you’re a boxing purist that gets excited about technique it was prettt boring.
Manny was a smarter boxer than he ever got credit for, he could think in there and set traps with the best of them. Thinking too much was a mistake vs Mayweather.
Mayweather fought that night in a way that would most humiliate Pacquaio and also assured victory. He took everything away, Manny couldn’t do anything he had ever done in a ring his whole career. Everything that worked against every opponent he ever had didn’t work against Floyd at all. I can’t imagine how humbling that had to be. Here you are a HOF fighter and you’re basically reduced to trying to figure out the basics and are so befuddled you look like an amateur.
It surely wasn’t action packed, but there was still a lot of perfection to watch.
They’re going to feed him a couple bums with no ground game, or they’ll modify the rules for his fights to eliminate the ground game. It will be a side show and I doubt he ever fights a legit guy.
It wasn't a great win, might as well Pac is a great win for torrecampo. You get credit only for the version you beat. You don't get credit for beating what someone once was or wil oneday become.
When Floyd beat nelo, nobody knew if nel o would disappear like most of Floyd s opponents did. Nobody would have predicted nel o would improve as much as he did
LOL, Canelo was the undefeated unified champion and had just beaten Austin trout and Shane Mosely when he fought Mayweather. He was the top Super Welterweight in the world and the Mayweather haters were crowing about him for months saying Mayweather would never fight a young bull like him. The revisionist history is hilarious, Canelo was 100% the toughest possible opponent for Mayweather at the time below 160 lbs.
That was an all time win, period.
Agreed. Canelo is actually Mayweather’s best win IMO. I don’t buy into the whole “he was green and weight drained” narrative. He was 40-0 and a unified champion that isn’t a green fighter and he was still fighting at 154 3 years later so he couldn’t have been all that weight drained either. It wasn’t a peak Canelo by any means but Floyd still beat an elite young fighter who’s gone on to be the P4P #1 fighter in the sport. As you said ATG win.
152 lbs when Canelo had weighed in at 153 his previous 2 fights, is nothing. And to Canelo and his teams credit, they said it was no factor. Would the 168 lb Canelo we see today have beaten that version of Mayweather? Yes. Prime vs prime at some mystery weight that would be fair? Mayweather was better.
But Canelo is really looking to build a legacy, he's just entering his prime and is active and will almost impossible to beat over the next 4 years. I believe if he cleans out all the big name fighters from 160 to 175 in the next 4 years he's an all time top 10 fighter.
It is subjective to a degree, but we know the difference between good fighters and great fighters and we know when great fighters face each other in their primes. Those type of wins carry more weight than beating a bunch of guys a notch below that level or not facing them in their primes. Floyd had great longevity and an excellent resume, but who knows how it would have shaken out if he had to face the likes of prime Leonard, hearns, Duran etc. If we’re talking about a body of work, fighters shouldn’t be penalized for taking a more difficult path...as fans, those are the fights we want to see.
I think prime vs prime is a lot rarer than people remember. Was Duran with 70+fights and 12 years of wear and tear as a pro on him in his prime when Leonard fought him? How about Hagler and Hearns, were they in their primes when Leonard fought them?
How about Morales and Barrera? Were they in their primes and at their best weights when Pacquaio fought them?
Guys are in their primes for a few years, outside of those few years there's always a case to be made they were out of their primes.
And as far as getting guys earlier in their careers when they were "green" Well you're darned if you do darned if you don't, if the public is crying for a fight and you don't make it you get called a duck. I mean Morales was coming off a loss both of the times he fought Manny and he still beat Manny the first time, then he had trouble making weight the 2nd time. Many fought Barrera in Barrera's 15th year as a pro after with more than 60 fights.
There's always a way to nitpick. Even the all time great's resumes have things you can pick on. Just look at if they were champions, if they were coming off losses or on a win streak, very few fighters get a ton of wins over prime fighters because the prime is so short. And then how do you weight if that fighter was out of his prime? Manny Pacquaio is well out of prime, doesn't that give him more points for beating Thurman? Well then why doesn't Mayweather get points for being out of prime and still beating guys like Canelo and Pacquaio?
It’s largely because he’s recently retired though. People are far more aware of who Floyd fought or could have fought etc. How many people on here could actually dissect Leonard’s resume for example. 10-15 years from now people will be dissecting Canelo’s resume and Canelo fans will be getting all defensive like Mayweather fans do.
As long as it’s objective and not purposely to bait people, I see no issue discussing any fighters resume. The OP of this thread was completely reasonable from my perspective.
100% spot on. After a couple decades people forget the fights that didn't happen, or the ones that happened out of prime. People forget that Sugar Ray Leonard missed several important fighters in their primes etc etc.
You only get a few years in your prime, fighting everyone at their prime is impossible. You can pick apart Floyd's resume if you want, you can do the same to Pacquaio's, but both guys fought dozens of champions and fought the majority of the important fighters near their weight of their eras.
Floyd will always be a target, he's so disliked by some that people hate on him vicariously by hating on Canelo because Floyd beat a young Canelo. Well, that win is looking like an all time great win right now. An old and over the hill Mayweather schooled a young buck who is now himself threatening all time status.
I'm friends with his cousin. She says he is frugal as heck and it's all for show. He leases some jewelry and returns it right away. He was given one of his cars as part of his deal with Showtime. Says he owns a lot of property though. She has been to parties at his place in Vegas and unless it's some big deal they drink cheap beer and order pizza. Dude makes it rain $1 bills. His spending is all an act. He does travel with a lot of people and has a private jet, but he also rents that jet out when he's not using it.
Joe Rogan said he would be a folk hero if he ended Mayweather with an illegal blow.
Let's see....he's getting at least $100 million for the fight. $67.5 million fine still leaves at least $32.5 million in his pocket.
Conor might actually consider it if he's getting beat bad enough.
Taxes, fees, and paying trainers and such and he would actually lose money for this fight.
Floyds only took 5-6 clean power punches in 20 year's connor will need to hit him with that amount of clean power punches in one fight to even have a chance of stopping him = not going to happen.
I question McGregor's power really. Power in MMA and power in boxing are two different things entirely and he doesn't even have elite power in MMA with 4 oz gloves on. McGregor is not turning peoples' lights out with one punch in MMA, he's stunning guys, maybe even knocking them down, but he's finishing them on the ground. On the off chance he catches Floyd with the perfect punch and Floyd is knocked off his feet for the first time in his career, Floyd will have a nice long 8 count that will equate to about 25 seconds of recovery time. McGregor hasn't shown that type of power against no chin MMA guys who are already off balance because of the way MMA fighters have to fight.
What will be funny is this, McGregor is bound to catch Mayweather with a good shot, it's going to have little effect. Mayweather has been hit square by fighters with way more power than McGregor has.
Everybody with two hands has a chance in the exact same way a bum off the street has a chance, This fight has exposed all the people who truly DKSAB, who believe connor is actually going to win and have him as the favorite. :pat:
You have to give anybody a chance by default because they have two hands. but to honestly think hes going to win and have him as a favorite is mindbogglingly retarded, If you honestly think this then you truly DKSAB. The only way connor beats floyd mayweather at boxing is if floyd gets a freak injury or he lands the luckiest punch to ever walk the face of the earth. To think anything other wise is utterly retarded.
Exactly this. And even a freak lucky punch is not going to win it for him IMO, he'll have to follow up with several shots as McGregor has not demonstrated 1 punch KO power even with 4 oz gloves.
Whoever had the most friends there would win. Probably Tyson, he had a big security detail.
People always seem to forget that "real" fights are almost never 1 on 1. Also, the last place you want to be during a "real" fight is on the ground. Tyson either KOs Fedor with 1 or 2 punches or they start to wrestle and Tyson's security pummels Fedor until he is unconscious.
Ground game means nothing in a real fight, the last place you want to be in a real fight is on the ground, and this is coming from someone with a wrestling background. Stuffing takedowns is important. Elbows and dirty boxing are valuable though.
Kicks? I have a philosophy about this, some disagree. My philosophy is low kicks only because you don't want to get off balance and end up on the ground where you're going to get kicked in the head by other people. I've seen maybe 50 bar or street fights in my life, I don't think I've seen more than 1 or 2 high kicks executed where they had a favorable effect. Low kicks can get your opponent off balance and distract them as well.
Boxing is the best base for real fighting, but adding elbows and low kicks IMO is very valuable. Wrestling and Judo help to understand leverage. Honestly, hockey fighting without skates is probably what most fights resemble in real life, grabbing, holding with one hand and swinging with the free hand. And this style of fighting holds the target in one spot too.
There are not 7 rounds that Castillo won, period. There are not even 6 rounds that he won clearly. Floyd was up 5-1 half way through the fight and there is no sane person that can say he was swept the last 6 rounds.
Watch the fight and score each round. If you are very very biased in favor of Castillo you could maybe find 6 rounds he won for the draw.
Maidana 1 was closer than Castillo I IMO. Castillo 1 was Mayweather winning 7-4-1. Maidana 1 was 7-5 Mayweather, but 6-6 was reasonable.
Those were the only 2 close fights of his whole career. That's why he's 49-0, he blew out his opponents 47 times and only gave the judges 2 chances to rob him. Fighters who are in a ton of close fights are going to take a bad decision here and there, the only thing you can do to avoid that is to not be in close fights, Mayweather succeeded.
This is the toughest modern opponent for Floyd IMO. His jab was great and it snapped. It would be a close fight, but I think Floyd ekes out a win. In a 5 fight series, Floyd 3-2.
Forrest had a better style to beat Mayweather than Paul Williams did.
Conor has few if any advantages in this fight. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have a chance, however remote it is.
Floyd is faster, hits harder, a better boxer, has better defense, will have better stamina, and a better chin. Conor is a little bigger and he's younger.
Personally, I think the body work Floyd does will end Conor, I think he knocks Conor down with a liver shot mid fight that Conor never recovers from.
It already did more than 2.5, the Cable companies had outages.
They hyped this fight up 100 times more than Mayweather Pacquiao. The May Pac fight didnt have a fight week build up like this fight, they even showed fights on FOX, and advertised like crazy
Also dont forget Conor is a white Irish man, while Pacquiao was a short caveman looking Filipino, more middle america will order Conor than Pacquiao because he is white.
Its going to do well over 5 million and I see it maybe round the 7 million buys mark.
Agree. The hype, buildup, and interest in the May-PAC fight was nowhere near this. I'd be shocked if it does less than 5 million and 7 million would. It be a surprise. This was bigger than the Super Bowl.
The footwork is going to get him knocked down by a jab.
Wow. He looks exactly like what he is, an amateur who should be fighting other amateurs for the next several years before considering turning pro.
Above all he looks like a guy who is going to get hurt. People do not understand that good pro boxers are animals. And people think Mayweather is some finessse fighter, he can be brutal when he needs to and watch his early fights when he was KOing guys with 1 punch. That's the level of fighter he is going against, the same type of guy he was lifting off their feet with uppercuts 20 years ago.
He'd still make either come to 154. But I doubt Floyd wants to fight anymore. He already schooled Canelo, if Canelo beats GGG why would Floyd fight him again. And GGG simply isn't a name to warrant enough interest to make the fight big enough to pay Floyd.
Floyd isn't fighting for less than $200 Million.