Johnny2x2x

That was an all time performance. He’s 40-0 and just destroyed the second best Welter of the last several years. I know he just missed the Mayweather, Pacquaio era, but I think his resume is good enough for all time consideration. Top 5 all time Welter I think is a given. Is he top 3?

As with many big fights, people ask questions when a great fighter doesn’t do this or doesn’t do that. The answer more times than not is their opponent took it out of them with body work. Lopez was punishing the body early and he never went away from it. Even when Loma caught punches with his arms and elbows you could see it was still punishing him. Loma didn’t throw as many punches as usual because the body work took it out of him. Loma didn’t move like he usually does because the body work took it out of him. You had a bigger fighter with more power who never let up on the body. That’s the story. Respect to Lopez! And that 12th was a thing of beauty.

I took the free trial to watch the last Canelo fight with the idea I'd cancel before 30 days and then maybe add it back when a big fight is occurring. I was not able to get my membership cancelled, they do not make it an easy process. Anyone else have problems? Luckily, it used my Apple ID to create and account and I let the card expire on my phone several months ago and don't use it so they cannot charge me, but I'd still like to cancel my membership. I knew there would be a catch.

Let Loma fight at 135, buy he looks like he could easily fight at 140. Make this fight happen.

I keep seeing people write that GGG clearly won rounds 4-9. Please, re-watch round 5, that might have been Canelo's best round of the fight. GGG landed at most 2 solid punches the whole round and Canelo countered him and landed the best punches of the fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrPIYCOyZG8 I have no problem with people scoring it either way, but round 5 was not even a close round, Canelo took that round and landed way more clean punches than GGG and actually had GGG rocked. GGG landed that one solid shot on the ear, but Canelo was blasting him most of the round as he made him miss wild shots. Round 6 was a close round that could have gone either way, but not round 5, that was one of the clearest rounds in the fight.

So I remember Benitez barely from when I was a kid, I know he was a world champion as a teenager, but how good was he really? I have noticed so many people claiming that a win over him was a big deal, but was it? He had a bunch of bums fed to him, then he lost to Leonard. His lone big win to me was against Duran, then Hearns beat him and he lost to a bunch of average fighters after that? Educate me. How great/not great was Benitiez? What were his big wins? What modern fighter does he compare to?

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/9032 Seriously, anyone talking about Floyd's 50th win not being legit needs to look at Marciano's record. Guy was fighting bums for most of his career. Can you imagine the heat Mayweather would have taken had he take had he'd fought guys with records of 8-8-1, 4-14-3, 13-15-1, and 11-14-2 in his 32nd through 35th career fights? He got to 35 wins without fighting but a couple actual quality opponents, then he finished his career fighting guys 25 lbs smaller or 10 years older than himself. Still counts as 49-0, but it is not anywhere near the accomplishment that Floyd's 50-0 is. Floyd fought a HOFer for the World Title in his 18th fight and then fought 25 more world champions including many who were much bigger than he was. And as far as McGregor, Floyd fought some other inexperienced guys his first 10 or so fights, do those fights not count either? No one fought more quality opponents than Floyd. Then he retired and came out of retirement for a cash grab which was still legit when he gave McGregor all the advantages of weight, gloves, and age. #1 all time fighter is Sugar Ray Robinson. Floyd might be 1b now. Duran is the only other fighter with a case for TBE IMO. Those 3 are it.

Despite the stoppage that most didn't like, there is zero reason for a 3rd fight. Kovalev will not beat Ward. Ward have proven without a doubt he is the better fighter.

For those of you who think that Pacquiao won 120-96 despite having his right arm amputated at the shoulder before the fight, this thread isn’t for you. This was a huge week for the Mayweather Legacy. Before the fight Pacquiao’s side was talking about KOs and shutouts and how his killer instinct was going to take over. Mayweather displayed a quiet confidence and didn’t say too much. The fight was indeed not all that action packed, but it was a pure master class by Mayweather who controlled everything about the fight for 12 rounds. It was a 10-2 fight and that was better than a TKO for Mayweather, it showed the type of domination that left the world knowing that Pacquiao never had a chance vs. Mayweather no matter when they fought. It was not the fight the fans wanted, but it left no doubts as to who is head and shoulders the best fighter of this generation. Now if that wasn’t good enough, the way that Pacquiao and his camp deceived before, during, or after the fight really puts the breakdown of negotiations years ago into a different light. Anyone with a brain knows that if Pacquiao had been hurt before or during the fight he and his corner would have been discussing it between rounds. Everyone also knows that immediately after the fight in the ring Pacquiao would have talked about his shoulder. It’s clear his whole camp is lying and it makes their version of the previous negotiation breakdowns even more unlikely. Not only did Mayweather beat Pacquiao in the ring, Pacquiao and his camp ruined their reputations outside of it. It was the complete and total destruction of Mayweather’s main rival from this era inside and outside of the squared circle. A more total victory could not have been imagined. The week only got better as the PPV numbers began to materialize, this was an historic event and 5-6 million people bought the PPV as Floyd stands to walk with nearly $300 million. This past Saturday was more good news for the Mayweather legacy as Canelo Alvarez laid waste to his opponent with a brutal knock out. Here was Canelo, a young bull who people said Floyd would never fight, looking like the beast that he is and looking like someone with a chance to be the premier boxer of the next decade. Mayweather’s schooling of Canelo is going to look better and better over the next decade. And with that, Floyd’s resume is complete; there really is nothing left for him to do in the ring. You can’t say he is missing any fighters on his card; anyone he didn’t get to fight was blasted by someone he did fight and school. Tszyu was mauled by Hatton, Margarito was destroyed by Mosely, Pacquiao, and Cotto etc. etc. He’s fought everyone he needed to fight and he’s rarely lost more than a couple rounds to anyone. And the tone of the discussions surrounding him has changed in boxing fan circles. No longer is anyone comparing him to anyone else in this era, now it’s only Leonard, Hearns, and Hagler people are comparing him to. And no longer are they criticizing Floyd as much as they are criticizing this era. His place in history is assured whether you like him or not. It was a big week for Floyd and his legacy, a week that is bound to look bigger and bigger as time goes by.