I feel that Floyd is old. However, when I watch MMA their are allot of guys who run around the ring against other pro MMA fighters, and are able to dominate fighting like that.
I however feel that, Floyd is waaaaay faster and sharper than those guys. And if Tyron Woodley can run and fight on the outside, or even if Holly Holm can, Floyd could do that VERY easily, and look way better than they do when they do it.
If Floyd were to win against a decent opponent, would his legacy transcend boxing, and eclipse Combat Sports as a whole?
"F___ all you haters, Imo go MMA and whoop his azz again!! I'm training with Mr Miyagi now!!"
- Floyd "Money" Mayweather
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Sure it'd transcend boxing. Anything Floyd does now transcends boxing one could argue, but you moved the goalposts.
You said " he would destroy combat sports"
No he wouldn't. Its one guy beating another guy. One guy don't destroy a f#cking sport. Thats silly to think that.
Its a bad look for MMA thats about it. And to a lot of boxing fans Conor lasting as long as he did was a bad look for boxing. Boxing or MMA ain't getting destroyed cuz one guy loses doe in particular a mfer as old as Floyd was when he fought Conor or as overrated & as flawed a guy as most MMA guys consider Conor.
Oh nah, I didnt mean destroy as in "do something bad" to the sport. I mean it will make a giant splash. My bad, didnt quite explain myself. But it seem like we both saying the same ****t.
how am i talking out of my arse lol. they win by stand up becuase they have some sort of takedown defense and someitmes its a conscious choice for both fighters to stay on there feet. We've seen one pure boxer in the ufc cage (against someone even older than him) and the guy simply walked up to him and took him down within seconds and that was that. Its not as if floyd is even a one punch knockout artist, ufc fighters dont all just have glassjaws that as soon as they get tagged its game over lol. Even if floyd did manage to put on some sort of boxing exhibition, all they would have to do is get him to the floor once and its over. amazes me how ignorant people are on this site when it comes to the idea of boxers fighting mma fighters.
What you don't get is its not that hard to learn some defense against take downs, FM doesn't have to be best defender he only has to be competent enough to keep a guy off him so he can use his fists, and that guy has to come into Floyds punching range and what do you think happens then.
FM is not going to a lions den, he will pick an opponent carefully you can bet your bottom dollar it wont be a master at take down.
This is one of the greatest boxers of all time and your telling me he cannot possibly win a fight, its people like you that make bookies rich.
My biggest concern with Floyd is its an old basically done version, if you were to put a prime elite boxer like GGG Lomo Spence Thurman and give them 6mths training I believe they could all win in the cage against respectable opponents, no elite prime boxer has had a go Im dammed if I would right them off.
fair enough man, wasnt trying to condescend you, got some good credentials by sounds of it. but i still disagree, i dont see a 40 year old boxer whos never done mma or another combat sport in his life being able to transition at this stage to beat any ufc fighter.
It’s all good bro, but yeah I don’t think he would do it in the first place.
And I see where your coming from, with all the facts one would think if he does decide to really do it he’s in for a world of hurt, but me knowing that some UFC fighters are as raw as could be going up against someone who has been fighting all of his life regardless of the discipline is why I know he could win some fights in that organization.
All fights start on your feet
Too small of a sample size.
But to some degree I'd expect amateur boxing to be harder than amateur MMA cuz amateur boxing keeps moving you towards tougher competition & does some half decent matchmaking from my understanding. Amateur MMA is any two dipsh^ts off the street who wanna fight from my understanding & there isn't really the tournament-like progression from level to level in amateur MMA.
I think amateur MMA is kinda like pro boxing in that way. You can in theory fight any bs a$$ guy. And ironically amateur boxing is more like pro MMA with it being about competition & moving forward & up til you win a trophy or belt or get beat.
Amateur boxing is more structured and organized than amateur mma for sure that’s why to get signed with the UFC you have to win a few pro mma fights but if you have a background in college wrestling or have won or placed in a established grappling competition you will definitely get your chance to sign with a quality organization.
But yeah I don’t care what anyone says, boxing is MUCH MORE difficult that mma.
I know because I’ve done both, and I’ll tell you what you wouldn’t catch me in a pro boxing ring but you will see me in the octagon
no disrespect to you as an amateur fighter but its pretty different the level at the UFC, im not having it that them guys wouldnt be able to take down mayweather and get the better of him on the ground. To get to that level they msut have incorporated years of ground game (whether its BJJ or wrestling) Mcgregors known as a 'striker' but ive seen clips of his grappling/takedowns and training drills, he'd beat the living **** out of mayweather on the ground. The point im trying to make is they dont have to be some blackbelt jiu jitsu specialist or whatever to outclass and submit mayweather. And ground game aside, hows mayweather gonna defend against kicks, he'd have to alter his stance, and pretty much change 20 odd years of muscle memory to try and achieve that. And for all the talk about his reflexes, they didnt look too sharp last fight, hes 40 years old and slowed down a hell of a lot. I dont understand why people think he's just gonna land one shot and its lights out.
I’ve sparred pros in the UFC and Belator and am in a mma gym with 4 fighter signed with the UFC.
First love was wrestling and mma way back from the beginnings of Pride in Japan.
Im a division 1 wrestler so I am far more knowledgeable in that than boxing, but having said that I’m not saying Floyd could be a champion in the UFC but there is no doubt in my mind he can win some fights in that organization.
Edit: and the only reason I’m not a pro now is I want to graduate first, not because my skill level is lacking because being a division 1 wrestler is pretty much the same pedigree as being a world class amateur boxer
I actually think Mayweather can win. Like I've said before most of the MMA fighters with amateur boxing backgrounds are basically stand up fighters and some of them are successful. The ones with a good ground game are primarily wrestlers.
I would be leery of putting him against McGregor in his first fight. The disadvantages McGregor had with boxing gloves won't be the same with MMA gloves. Some of those same punches that landed in their boxing gloves would do much more damage in MMA gloves. And McGregor is so much bigger than Mayweather.
its tnot that simple though lol. even a 'stand up' fighter in the ufc has some form of grappling skil, even if thats not how they normally fight, they would still just shoot for the takedown aginst mayweather. i get the impression people on here have never actually watched a ufc fight cause they make it sound like theres lots of fighters in ther bobbing and weaving and spending the whole fight just jabbing and moving lol these 'stand up' fighters have a lot more to there arsenal than just boxing skill. theres a reason so many of these boxers who talk about transferring to the ufc, never actually go through with it.
Lol, Dude I’m a wrestler and not not only do I have amateur boxing matches I have amateur MMA fights and if you think all mma fighters have some form of grappling you are misinformed, and shooting for a takedown and getting one are two different things, not only that MMA grappling is different then all other forms of competition grappling because of the submissions and strikes on the ground.
And I thought you were from England? Not too many grapplers in your part of the world to really know the difference between mma grappling and grappling in general.
A good sprawl is really about timing because its not too technical.
And I’ll tell you this my amateur boxing matches were much more difficult than my Mma fights.
And the boxers at the national level might talk about switching to MMA until they see how much 95% of all mma fighters make per fight, then yeah it’s not as appealing as first imagined
It would enhance is legacy a lot in the context of sport, however his boxing legacy is already cemented. If he went into UFC and won against a good fighter, he should go down as one of the greatest sportsmen ever.
That said, if it happens, i'd say he stands very little chance of winning. Just as we laughed at the ignorance of McGregor fans thinking he could beat Floyd in boxing, it would be exactly the same situation.
Not saying he has 0% chance of winning, it's combat sport so if he landed the first meaningful shot and effectively ended the fight then, that would be the only real chance. Apart from that, it's the same almost impossible task of expecting a guy to come from UFC and box against Floyd.
Well for 20yrs we have been trying to get a guy from boxing, to beat Floyd. It was impossible Let alone a guy from MMA. I think he is already a very unique athlete thats why I think it will be easy for him to move around, and never get kicked or touched. .But you make allot of points!!
LMFAO. No he wouldn't its one guy winning one fight. It'd have been no different if Conor beat Floyd in the ring.
Way too many boxing dudes are too f#cking extreme with their opinions. You are either the greatest fighter ever or a complete bum. No middle ground lol.
No its not just one guy winning. The consensus is that its impossible for him to win. But when you think about it, its extremely realistic. It would shatter the internet, and his legacy would transcend boxing.
i think youre either deluded or trolling lol. theres no point answering the question, cause it wont happen. Its like me making a thread 'what happens if charles martin comes back and knocks out joshua, fury and wilder' its pointless even talking about it.
Floyd will win. It will be easy for him to win for he is a better athlete than every single person in that sport, and the only one who comes close is prime Anderson Silva. For some reason your scared of that idea. But it would not be the same as Charles Martin knocking out all of those guys.
It is not pointless to ask. You just hate the idea of it happening because you KNOW how big it would be if he pulled it off.
he cant win against any ufc fighter. people dont understand how ufc works, its not like boxing where you can be a bum and fight. you have to be a certain level to get into it. what the hell is floyds defence gonna do when someone grabs his legs. saying that, if a fight happens it will undred percent be rigged.
That’s actually pretty funny because that’s would be the same route the UFC went to make Mc Gregor a star, it’s not that difficult to match someone up for a certain victory due to styles, and yeah you really don’t have to be at a certain skill level to get picked up by the UFC, just win some fights and know someone or have a little following to sell some tickets
His odds aren't that bad vs someone his size or smaller and old. Against Conor who is much bigger already and younger, giving him the extra advantage of it being in the octagon, lets just say Conor is a huge ***git if he loses.
It would enhance is legacy a lot in the context of sport, however his boxing legacy is already cemented. If he went into UFC and won against a good fighter, he should go down as one of the greatest sportsmen ever.
That said, if it happens, i'd say he stands very little chance of winning. Just as we laughed at the ignorance of McGregor fans thinking he could beat Floyd in boxing, it would be exactly the same situation.
Not saying he has 0% chance of winning, it's combat sport so if he landed the first meaningful shot and effectively ended the fight then, that would be the only real chance. Apart from that, it's the same almost impossible task of expecting a guy to come from UFC and box against Floyd.
he cant win against any ufc fighter. people dont understand how ufc works, its not like boxing where you can be a bum and fight. you have to be a certain level to get into it. what the hell is floyds defence gonna do when someone grabs his legs. saying that, if a fight happens it will undred percent be rigged.
FM cant win but so many guys win with standup, when you say CANT you are talking out your ass.
If you were to put Floyd in the cage in an equal situation, around the same age and weight and a retired former MMA top liner, with training my money would be on Floyd.
What people don't realize is how much quicker and harder punching FM would be in those tiny mitts and if other boxers can win then FM has a good chance if they match him equal.
They’re going to feed him a couple bums with no ground game, or they’ll modify the rules for his fights to eliminate the ground game. It will be a side show and I doubt he ever fights a legit guy.
Answer the question; Too many tangents. If he goes and their and wins against a decent opponent...
If Floyd beat Conor in the cage yea I think he hits a whole other level of popularity. Hell I think him losing in the cage, while putting forth an honest effort gets him some new respect & maybe fans. If he gets embarrassed like Toney or CM Punk then I don't think it does much for him either way.
All that said I still don't buy that we'll see this. But its looking like its more likely every week or so & I didn't think Floyd vs Manny or Floyd vs Conor I would happen so wtf do I know.
Legacy wise, he would destroy combat sports.
I think it depends on who is the opponent.
The biggest name opponent for Floyd would be Conor
I expect it to be a bum. But for people who say "Well just grab him, and its over" as if it were that easy....
Boxing is what? 20-25% of MMA?
Floyd just won't be able to master the other 75% no matter how good his boxing is.
The footwork, defense, ground game, kicking, knees etc...its like learning a new language.
I'm no expert, but I'd venture to say that Floyds boxing stance and style is all wrong for MMA as well...
Thats the reason he is going to dedicate himself to LEARN the sport. If Tyron can run around the ring and get easy victories, Floyd will be razor sharp at that, and do it better than him. He would have some of the fastest kicks ever. He would have a field day with all the other things he can do offensively. But all of this is irrelevant.
I asked, what if he wins against a decent opponent...?
he cant win against any ufc fighter. people dont understand how ufc works, its not like boxing where you can be a bum and fight. you have to be a certain level to get into it. what the hell is floyds defence gonna do when someone grabs his legs. saying that, if a fight happens it will undred percent be rigged.
No one is going to grab Floyd. His whole body is going to fly out of the way. His reflexes and instincts, combined with some new tools, will make him lethal.
But this is all besides the point of the thread. I asked, what if he won against a decent opponent...?
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