Your an absolute idiot. if anything your king canelo was in "developmental stage" against Floyd more then 5 years ago. You need your head examined fuking weird statement that you made.
Yeah well how do you explain the fact that he just kept getting better and better. You wanted Golovkin to catch Canelo slipping before he even had a chance to learn all these different skills. The fact now is Canelo is a real P4P fighter not a one trick pony who plays it safe behind the comfort of his jab. You trying to act like we owe you something is hilarious! Because for 5 years we took all this abuse from ggg fans and you didn’t hear us crying cuzz we got nuked with red k and now that the tables are turned you ****s can’t rise to the occasion like real boxing fans! Eat your crow and stfu and be a good boy cuzz the real drama show will soon begin... ha ha
I'm talking about their two fights.
In the first fight Alvarez was 28, with 51 pro fights and was a former MW Champ.
In his previous fight, he had fought at 164 lbs.
Those are just facts, not opinion or speculation.
Your case for GGG taking advantage of a smaller, less experienced fighter is pretty weak.
No it isn’t weak because Canelo was still in the developmental stages of his career while Golovkin was fully developed!
dude...you asked for canelo to fight you in the manner which you wished...he did...and he beat your face up and you ran out of the ring like a spoiled, beaten, baby child
kindly please go fogg off and fight tevin farmer or something you pansy...but farmer prob too dangerous...
you are owed NOTHING....you've done NOTHING to deserve anything
Curt you should be Canelos anger translator!!!!
Why did everybody ridicule Byrd's 118-110 scorecard?
If Alvarez is so good and GGG is so bad, that's the dominant scorecard you would expect to see.
The other 5 judges saw almost no difference between the 2 fighters.
If that's the case either a prime Canelo is as much a hype job as GGG or a 35+ GGG was as least as good as Canelo.
But you can't have it both ways.
There’s too many questions when it comes to Golovkin and Canelo and TBH the only way to be fair is never to expect that a guy with 350 ameture fights and 35 plus pro fights just thehighest level of boxing experience be calling out a 154 pounder with not even close to the same experience and not even in his prime yet we put the pressure on Canelo and expect him to go in there not even ready for that level of competition. Why wasn’t that pressure put on the great ATG Golovkin to pick on a worthy challenge, and what would it have meant for his legacy to beat a 154 lbs Canelo knowing how good Canelo is now compared to then? A lot of questions but don’t expect anyone to keep it real.
IMO the only fair way is to judge them by age. From 15-29 I got Canelo cuzz ggg would have gotten murdered and TBH I don’t know how much more Canelos knees have left so from 29-35 will have to see what Canelo has left. BTW I mean a 15-29 yr old Canelo vs GGG at the same age don’t get confused
Yeah these POSs wanna make sure Andy Ruiz losses before he even steps in the ring. AJ fighting Ruiz in Saudi Arabia is equivalent to Ruiz fighting AJ in the Vatican! These ppl just don’t get it, why would we allow so many advantages. Weren’t you ppl the same ones that were crying ggg deserved 50 percent of the purse? Well thanks to your complaining and indignation he ended up with 45 percent of Canelos purse. But your OK with the unified champ Andy Ruiz taking less than 20 percent of the purse in a rematch in Saudi Arabia! Come on ppl you need to be more reasonable, if this is as far as AJ can go then just accept it because Wilder or Fury will make him look silly AF and then what? A robbery to keep the lie going?
I had the same exact problem man, but don’t worry about that keep keeping it real. Some ppl just have an inferior mind set, so they feel that they have to retaliate somehow because they don’t want to be reminded that “they were wrong “. Most GGG fans are bitter that 6 years of fanatisism didn’t yield the proper results. Keep that in mind when you respond to them because They will nuke you with red K if happen to get on their wrong side. But luckily for you popular opinion of Canelo has changed dramatically so you should be good soon. I think this thing resets at the end of the year anyways
They also warn against travelling to Mexico. In fact, they both score a 2 on some kind of threat level from a US trip advisor institution. So according to that, they are just as dangerous. You don't think there are beheadings in Mexico from ask the cartels there? Lol give me a break
Chavez Sr Just got robbed just walking the streets there...
And Andy Ruiz wanted the fight there...so that excuse doesn't fly my man. Ruiz is trying to get out of his contract.
Ring IQ is that you?
Dude I have a thread link specifically waiting to throw at em should they reply with any crazy ishh where I am fighting the entire anti-golovkin brigade singlehandedly...they act like we have adhd or something....and we don't remember the outlandish nonsense we have to put up with.
See that’s the thing you could have best argument in the world but since your fighters actual resume is hyped up and mediocre that means you have nothing but hopes and dreams! We deal in reality not mental deception.
It’s very valid because ggg is old and slow now Canelo is just doing GGG a 3 rd favor and GGG is acting entitled now so zero fawks given if they don’t fight cuzz either way GGG is getting schooled anyways so it’s up to Canelo to do what he wants
You're the kind of fan that's bad for boxing, gtfoh with your bullsh.it excuses and how about we agree that the score isn't settled and a third fight is due?
Canelo has more important fights than an old Golovkin, even a kovalev fight does more for his legacy then beating Golovkin again for the 3rd time IMO...Golovkin is old and fighting him again comes with zero credit but a bunch of criticism by rabid Golovkin supporters who have been lying to themselves for 6 years. Relax man I’m not hear to be disrespected, if don’t agree just ignore my comments and don’t be bitter
Not really comparable. Jones was giving up nearly 35 pounds to Ruiz. Canelo likely will be within 5 pounds.
It is comparable! When you hit heavy weight sometimes you fight people with up to 50 lbs advantage or more in weight and the heaight is a whole different other thing
It's not like Pacquiao Vs De La Hoya Where Pacquiao was a big underdog or Mikey Vs Spence and Loma Vs Rigondeaux...in these cases the smaller fighters actually were the underdogs and daring to be great, not a heavy favourite.
The odds for GGG-Derevyanchenko are closer and the odds for GGG-Canelo are almost 50/50 and Canelo would also not be a big favourite Vs the likes of Bivol and Callum Smith.
So my question is...how exactly is Canelo daring to be great when he is such a big favourite? If he was truly daring to be great he would have picked a fight where he wasn't such a big favourite right?
I personally think the odds are a bit too wide, but it probably has alot to do with how short notice the fight is for Kovalev and how tough his last fight was.
Those odds are unrealistic, I’m sure they’ll even out and probably end up favoring kovalev when we get closer to the fight. But ask all the experts which you don’t have to cuzz if you look closer yourself you can see that kovalev is a master of the distance with that jab. Canelo will have to lunge in and hell just keep getting jabbed. This isn’t an easy fight
It's not an easy fight at all, it's not daring to be great either.
About six months ago Crawford was asked if he would consider moving up to take a fight vs Canelo. With no shame whatsoever he said”Why don’t you ask Canelo to move up and fight Kovalev?” Nobody asked, he went ahead and did it. How is this not daring to be great?
Put my list up so others can rip it apart? No thanks.
As long as you got Canelo anywhere between 1 and 3 and Golovkins not on there you’ll be just fine bro
Yeah that's why he lost the September date and could not fight who he wanted to fight.
He couldn't choose his opponents to he just blatantly skipped a date.
Yuup said :”screw you guys I’m going home!”
Supposedly there's a noon deadline for whether Canelo defends his IBF title or not, but who knows how long this Mexican soap opera goes on for?
I'm sure all the top guys at MW are waiting on the diva's decision.
The diva's like the hottest chiquita in the place and every dude wants to slap that azz. :D
Listen Guy! Canelo has the most impressive Career behind Manny Pacman and we don’t give 2 shets what Canelo does right now, all eyes on the other Middleweights and what they do. Canelo does not owe them anything, they have to build their own legacy. If he vacates the IBF maybe it’s because he realized that he should have that strap last in route to undisputed then vacate everything.
It’s official, Davis and Spence are practically Mexican.
Worry not, the African-American fans get to have Rey Vargas and Miguel Vazquez.
The African-American Style = Tevin Farmer and Jamel Herring but you guys can keep them.
Mexican Style = Supreme intelligent skillful fighting.
African-American Style = Hit and clinch or hit and run.
So is Floyd when he isn’t afraid to lose
Lomachenko is touted as the best boxer by a lot and they say he is special. Yet he is an inch taller and walks around heavier than manny pacquiao but refused to fight manny because as he said he didnt want to beat up an old man?:lol1: pac was even willing to go down to 142 for loma.
I respect lomas skills but if he is so great why did he duck pacquiao. Some loma fans even said he is greater than pacman. He blew the chance of a lifetime beating pac would have made him famous and after he could have went back to 135.
Then they said he was too small for even 135 but that conditioning coach said lomachenko started camp at 154 pounds and weighed in at 145 pounds for the 30 day weights.
So that excuse of loma is too small is out the window dude walks around more than pac in weight, if he were great do what pacman and floyd did. If your skills are greater than pacman why not go up in weight too?
Skills pay the bills right. Seems like he ducked old man pacquiao.
Impeccable argument bro
I'd say his best wins are GGG, Jacobs, Cotto and Lara. These were hard fought good wins but not really memorable (no kd's, ko's or beat downs)(IMO)
After those you've got Trout and an early KO of Kirkland, which are solid.
Mosely's an impressive name but Shane was over 40 and I guess Chavez Jr was an OK win but he was weight drained.
Alvarez has wins over guys like Cintron, Hatton, Angullo and Lopez but I don't rate those wins that high.
Alvarez has over 30 wins in Mexico but none that strike me as great.
A record of 52-1-2 is impressive but if you realize that over 30 of those fights were in Mexico and how few really good wins over top fighters Alvarez has (IMO) his resume is a good, solid one, nothing great.
When you hit the big time you will only see 2 elite guys trying to outskill each other. Just ask ggg who was able to KO everyone of his easy oponents with ease but he hit a brick wall once he stepped up because he only knew how to win by KO. Alvarezs resume is totally impressive as they come, stop hating
Yeah but they also keep it real as far as what ggg has done they(Kazakhs) consider ggg a good boxer but they are aware that he’s not the best! They see Golovkin as someone too scared to take a risk and they realize that he lost against a smaller guy Canelo. That was not a good look to let the small guy muscle him into abandoning his usual seek and destroy style of boxing! Really they made a Golovkin man comic about that