Is Alvarez's Resume Overrated?

Can you name me a better resume with better wins? I'll wait. Level of comp I think Canelo's is probably slightly higher than GGG's but it's close...but GGG has been much more impressive imo in the way in which he has won his fights. GGG does have the benefit of being at the end of his career though, while Nelo is only 29. Pac has more losses than Nelo but I'd have to put him above anyone pretty clearly right now...what he has done, moving up in weight like that, is pretty incredible.

I think for some people...they look at it and say going 12 with old Mosley at 154...or 12 with OK Trout at 154...or 12 with old Cotto at 155...I mean those aren't exactly impressive performances...those weren't prime pfp greats he was facing and he didn't exactly knock it out of the park. I thought he beat Lara 7-5 but a lot of people don't think he really excelled in that fight either...Jacobs a solid win but not as dominant imo as some of Nelo's fans try to make it...and many seem to feel he lost twice to GGG...and then the Mayweather loss as well. If you just look at 'name' then yes Nelo as well as Pac have by far the best 'resume' now...but I think you have to look at when/where/what weight/how you performed etc as well with a resume...and Nelo hasn't exactly faced the best versions of most of his big names, and has not really excelled and dominated against any of them. It seems like Floyd and Nelo fans unite on this stuff..because Nelo is following Floyd's formula of taking on a good name at the end (or beginning) of their career...so they want to highlight those wins to hype up the resume...but imo it is a little strange to act like Mosley Cotto etc were great wins in the circumstances in which they were won. Who you beat matters...but you have to combine it with what weight/age/place/how you won etc...and in those areas Nelo's resume is still really solid, he is a great fighter...but yeah I do think it is a little overhyped.Can you name me a better resume with better wins? I'll wait.

His resume is full of shot and smaller fighters, and 3 he should have lost. Seriously a who's who of ****ty fights except Jacobs. That's his only real legit good win. Liam Smith is a great example of a bull**** fight. Oh and that clown at 168 pounds. Dare to be great. Yeah okay. Fight the worst of the champions at 154 and 168. Plus he's a fukin cheater.

You cant even debate boxing when you fail to even comprehend the language you speak. You're welcome to point out anywhere where I suggest that Canelo is not good. Canelo is very good, BUT just because I dont think BOSSNELO is a BOXING GOD you want to argue? Canelo has good wins but he is in no way head and shoulders above his competition like some other fighters and his resume doesnt make him far better either. Resumes only take you so far. GGG who has an inferior resume and even Jacob's but are very close to him in terms of skill but not resume. Also, none of those other top fighters from their respective decisons have been popped for PEDs or has had so many controversial decisions. We cant have a real discussion because you cant accept those bolded facts. Compare to other top fighters from other divisions. I was totally agreeing with you bro. I should have been clearer.

Please remind me not to get into any boxing debates with you! :-) All the emotion around Alvarez (and GGG) just stops any kind of discussion. The diva can't be a good, solid fighter or a top guy with some good wins. Nah, he's got to be "great", with the "best" resume in boxing. You cant even debate boxing when you fail to even comprehend the language you speak. You're welcome to point out anywhere where I suggest that Canelo is not good. Canelo is very good, BUT just because I dont think BOSSNELO is a BOXING GOD you want to argue? Canelo has good wins but he is in no way head and shoulders above his competition like some other fighters and his resume doesnt make him far better either. Resumes only take you so far. GGG who has an inferior resume and even Jacob's but are very close to him in terms of skill but not resume. Also, none of those other top fighters from their respective decisons have been popped for PEDs or has had so many controversial decisions. We cant have a real discussion because you cant accept those bolded facts. Compare to other top fighters from other divisions.

The guy has the best resume in boxing, if people are calling it trash then I wonder what they think of their favorite fighter's resume. I don't understand these boxing "analysts" and "experts" on here. They are just fans, only fans hate like this. A resume is a resume, and Canelo has the best one. I challenge anybody to link me a better one among active fighters. Until someone can do it, this is not up for debate. I think for some people...they look at it and say going 12 with old Mosley at 154...or 12 with OK Trout at 154...or 12 with old Cotto at 155...I mean those aren't exactly impressive performances...those weren't prime pfp greats he was facing and he didn't exactly knock it out of the park. I thought he beat Lara 7-5 but a lot of people don't think he really excelled in that fight either...Jacobs a solid win but not as dominant imo as some of Nelo's fans try to make it...and many seem to feel he lost twice to GGG...and then the Mayweather loss as well. If you just look at 'name' then yes Nelo as well as Pac have by far the best 'resume' now...but I think you have to look at when/where/what weight/how you performed etc as well with a resume...and Nelo hasn't exactly faced the best versions of most of his big names, and has not really excelled and dominated against any of them. It seems like Floyd and Nelo fans unite on this stuff..because Nelo is following Floyd's formula of taking on a good name at the end (or beginning) of their career...so they want to highlight those wins to hype up the resume...but imo it is a little strange to act like Mosley Cotto etc were great wins in the circumstances in which they were won. Who you beat matters...but you have to combine it with what weight/age/place/how you won etc...and in those areas Nelo's resume is still really solid, he is a great fighter...but yeah I do think it is a little overhyped.

Bro. How far down your throat is Canelos dick? Asking for a friend. I would highly suggest you quit skimming what I write and quit trying to make a pathetic attempt at an argument when you have none. You only use resume as a talking point because it fits your agenda. Let's talk about resumes real quick. AJ had a better resume than Ruiz but got knocked the **** out. Resumes only mean so much, but it's important to you solely because it fits your agenda. GGG does not have the same resume as Canelo but even at age 36 and 37 was the same caliber fighter. Again. Resumes only mean so much. Not once did I argue that Canelos resume is not good, nor did I ever say it wasn't top 5. Those again are ****ty ass talking points you need to fit your agenda. YOURE WELCOME TO QUOTE ANYWHERE I SAID SUCH good luck And to the bold. What would suggest to you that I am mad that Canelo somehow is gifted close decisions? THAT is merely an observation. Please defend that 114-114 score card in Canelo/Mayweather please. EVEN better yet defend that 118-110 GGG score card. Deserved score cards right? And to the part where you suggest that more than enough people agree with the judges decisions. Liar much? To blatantly lie fits your agenda perfect. I wouldn't expect anything less. You wanna bet that more people believed GGG beat Canelo the first time around? That is a fight NO ONE believes he won, only his most die hard fans and even THEY dont beleive he won all saying it was a draw. And to your comment about tough competition. Please bro. You saying the MW division is tough defeats all you canelo fans own damn pathetic argument that the MW division is weak and that is the only reason why GGG is relevant. All of a sudden its tough because your boy isn't doing as well as other fighters in their own divisions. So is GGG a hype job or is he any good? I'm confused here. Is the MW division he reigned over for half a decade strong or weak? I guess the answer depends on what fits your agenda P.s. the fighters I mentioned I never said all had resumes that were better than Canelo, but unlike him are head and shoulders above their peers. While Crawford doesnt have a great resume hes not just unified but undisputed at 140. Even if it was a weak win, hes undisputed. Something that Canelo has repeated failed to do and lots of boxers have failed to do. Please remind me not to get into any boxing debates with you! :-) All the emotion around Alvarez (and GGG) just stops any kind of discussion. The diva can't be a good, solid fighter or a top guy with some good wins. Nah, he's got to be "great", with the "best" resume in boxing.

The guy has the best resume in boxing, if people are calling it trash then I wonder what they think of their favorite fighter's resume. I don't understand these boxing "analysts" and "experts" on here. They are just fans, only fans hate like this. A resume is a resume, and Canelo has the best one. I challenge anybody to link me a better one among active fighters. Until someone can do it, this is not up for debate.

Actually sad that this is the resume of the current ppv king. I like canelo but none of his fights blew my mind even with his best wins, like prime floyd who barely gets hit or prime manny who has a lot of gears. Don’t get me wrong, canelo is a really good fighter, perfectly balanced, great upper body movement.. speed and power. Really hard to beat... but something just can’t get me to get hooked. Maybe it’s the lack of gears in his fights. You can see him beating someone, but that’s it.. there’s no additional gear he can step on to overly impress. His workrate is good then declines in the later rounds, where most greats pull another will of energy. He’s good at everything he does, just not special in any of it. He’s not an offensive machine or nightmare, nor he is a defensive wizard. And that 40 yr old mosely you mentioned ran for his life when he fought midget pacquiao and got KD in the process, while went toe to toe with Canelo and wasn’t even hurt the entire time. Agree about Mosely. Shane came out strong and confident against Pac - until the knockdown - then Shane gave a clinic in how a veteran fighter survives for 12 rounds. :-) You make some good points, Alvarez is a good solid fighter, does a lot well but nothing great. He's never put any real daylight between him and the other top guys. Alvarez is the#1 box office draw, which goes a long way to explain the hype.

I'd say his best wins are GGG, Jacobs, Cotto and Lara. These were hard fought good wins but not really memorable (no kd's, ko's or beat downs)(IMO) After those you've got Trout and an early KO of Kirkland, which are solid. Mosely's an impressive name but Shane was over 40 and I guess Chavez Jr was an OK win but he was weight drained. Alvarez has wins over guys like Cintron, Hatton, Angullo and Lopez but I don't rate those wins that high. Alvarez has over 30 wins in Mexico but none that strike me as great. A record of 52-1-2 is impressive but if you realize that over 30 of those fights were in Mexico and how few really good wins over top fighters Alvarez has (IMO) his resume is a good, solid one, nothing great. Actually sad that this is the resume of the current ppv king. I like canelo but none of his fights blew my mind even with his best wins, like prime floyd who barely gets hit or prime manny who has a lot of gears. Don’t get me wrong, canelo is a really good fighter, perfectly balanced, great upper body movement.. speed and power. Really hard to beat... but something just can’t get me to get hooked. Maybe it’s the lack of gears in his fights. You can see him beating someone, but that’s it.. there’s no additional gear he can step on to overly impress. His workrate is good then declines in the later rounds, where most greats pull another will of energy. He’s good at everything he does, just not special in any of it. He’s not an offensive machine or nightmare, nor he is a defensive wizard. And that 40 yr old mosely you mentioned ran for his life when he fought midget pacquiao and got KD in the process, while went toe to toe with Canelo and wasn’t even hurt the entire time.

if his resume is overrated then 99.9 percent of active boxers resumes are pure trash

Not a fan of Canelo, but he fights good competition, as all champs should. Just like Thurman, he finds it difficult to beat good opponent.

He has a lot of great names on paper, but a lot of those guys where fought coming off of losses or towards the end of their career look at some of the top names on his resume: Mosley - Lost to Mayweather, drew with Mora and Lost to Pac. Was showing clear signs that he was done at top level. Lopez - Already had 4 losses at that point and his notable win was a shot Ortiz Trout - Good win Lara - A lot of people had Lara winning this Cotto - On his way out Khan - Lol Chavez Jr - Lol GGG - Had Canelo losing both fights (though second was a lot closer) Jacobs - Good win, had it a draw but could see why Canelo just edged it.

This is the same guy who lost pretty much every round against Mayweather, right? Best of the best, no. Good? Yeah.

Not overrated - but carefully constructed.

Marquez stopping Pacquiao ice cold is better than anything Canelo did.

Nobody you mentioned has a better resume then Canelo. Give me 5 guys better then people on Canelo's resume on each of those guys you mentioned. Canelo and Cotto fought at 155, which is 1 pound over 154. Cotto outgrew 147 and moved up when he did, and had been at the weight for years when Canelo fought him there. 155lbs, the same weight he fought Angulo AND Lara at. You can't be mad at Canelo for winning close decisions. When you fight the toughest opponents and fight 50/50 competitive fights like he has, they tend to be close. He has stepped up and more then enough people have agreed with the judges decisions, he never "robbed" anybody. Out of everyone you mentioned though, Usyk has by far the best resume. He fought top ELITE crusierweights. Not just "the best in the division" in weak divisions where they were heavily favored in every fight such as Loma and Crawford. Canelo and Usyk's resume are much better then Crawford and Loma's but Loma's is decent. Crawford's is awful, doesn't even have top 3 resume in his own weight class. Bro. How far down your throat is Canelos dick? Asking for a friend. I would highly suggest you quit skimming what I write and quit trying to make a pathetic attempt at an argument when you have none. You only use resume as a talking point because it fits your agenda. Let's talk about resumes real quick. AJ had a better resume than Ruiz but got knocked the **** out. Resumes only mean so much, but it's important to you solely because it fits your agenda. GGG does not have the same resume as Canelo but even at age 36 and 37 was the same caliber fighter. Again. Resumes only mean so much. Not once did I argue that Canelos resume is not good, nor did I ever say it wasn't top 5. Those again are ****ty ass talking points you need to fit your agenda. YOURE WELCOME TO QUOTE ANYWHERE I SAID SUCH good luck And to the bold. What would suggest to you that I am mad that Canelo somehow is gifted close decisions? THAT is merely an observation. Please defend that 114-114 score card in Canelo/Mayweather please. EVEN better yet defend that 118-110 GGG score card. Deserved score cards right? And to the part where you suggest that more than enough people agree with the judges decisions. Liar much? To blatantly lie fits your agenda perfect. I wouldn't expect anything less. You wanna bet that more people believed GGG beat Canelo the first time around? That is a fight NO ONE believes he won, only his most die hard fans and even THEY dont beleive he won all saying it was a draw. And to your comment about tough competition. Please bro. You saying the MW division is tough defeats all you canelo fans own damn pathetic argument that the MW division is weak and that is the only reason why GGG is relevant. All of a sudden its tough because your boy isn't doing as well as other fighters in their own divisions. So is GGG a hype job or is he any good? I'm confused here. Is the MW division he reigned over for half a decade strong or weak? I guess the answer depends on what fits your agenda P.s. the fighters I mentioned I never said all had resumes that were better than Canelo, but unlike him are head and shoulders above their peers. While Crawford doesnt have a great resume hes not just unified but undisputed at 140. Even if it was a weak win, hes undisputed. Something that Canelo has repeated failed to do and lots of boxers have failed to do.

First things first. YOU discredited your own argument. Not me. If you actually read anything I wrote other than the **** you wanted to argue then you'd know this. I said overrated doesnt mean bad but you are clearly overrated his resume. I think Canelo has a good resume but let's LETS NOT ACT LIKE COTTO WAS IN HIS PRIME AND FIGHTING AT 154 like you claim. The guy ducked GGG ffs for the chance to try to cherry pick Canelo just like Floyd. And the head and shoulders thing. Canelo might have wins over some good opponents but let's not lie to ourselves again. Trout, Lara, Jacobs, GGG, and Cotto Those are the 5 guys you claim as top 5 guys right? Tell me how good he did against these guys? 4 controversial decisions. A good win against a good blown up welterweight. A solid but non exciting win over Jacobs. Yeah hes good but he is NOT head and shoulders above his opponents based on those showings. Is he the best? Sure. But the way you and so many of his fans act with his resume he might as well have knocked everyone out and won easy 12 round landslide decisions against them. Did he do that? No. Near every fight was damn controversial. Look at his face after Lara? Dude straight up thought he lost. After GGG 1. Saved by a ludicrous 118-110 score card. GGG2 saved by the narrative in a very close competitive fight that you Canelo fans again, overrate his performance and was still controversial to the majority of fans. Like come on dude. When fans like you have to resort to **** like, oh, the narrative saves my hero (he won using mexican style) and you "create rules" to justify you means (let's compare faces) do you really believe the **** you say? Canelo is a solid very good fighter, but **** like BOSSNELO. GODNELO. Lmfao. As a fan you're okay with that ****? Is his resume among the best of active fighters? Sure. Could be 2nd best, but personally I dont rate him that high because #1, hes a diva and just like floyd is overrated, #2 hes not head and shoulders above his competition. Take guys like Crawford. Lomachenko. Usyk. Or ****. Even Fury. Inoue. All those guys might not have as strong as a resume but are head and shoulders above their competition. Sure I'd love to see them challenged but when they do get challenged I dont have that feeling at the back of my mind that scores will be skewed in their favor or that they're only making business decisions. Ya feel? Must be fun being a Canelo fan knowing that you will get favorable score cards huh?Nobody you mentioned has a better resume then Canelo. Give me 5 guys better then people on Canelo's resume on each of those guys you mentioned. Canelo and Cotto fought at 155, which is 1 pound over 154. Cotto outgrew 147 and moved up when he did, and had been at the weight for years when Canelo fought him there. 155lbs, the same weight he fought Angulo AND Lara at. You can't be mad at Canelo for winning close decisions. When you fight the toughest opponents and fight 50/50 competitive fights like he has, they tend to be close. He has stepped up and more then enough people have agreed with the judges decisions, he never "robbed" anybody. Out of everyone you mentioned though, Usyk has by far the best resume. He fought top ELITE crusierweights. Not just "the best in the division" in weak divisions where they were heavily favored in every fight such as Loma and Crawford. Canelo and Usyk's resume are much better then Crawford and Loma's but Loma's is decent. Crawford's is awful, doesn't even have top 3 resume in his own weight class.

Okay, you just discredited my entire argument by naming 1 out of 5 guys who possibly weren't in their prime, and not in their proper weight class. Well Cotto's weight class was 154, Canelo fought him at 155. Cotto was also coming off some good wins and looking very strong under Roach. It's Miguel Cotto, and he was still an elite fighter. Even if he wasn't it's 1 guy. Take that 1 guy away, 4 wins against top elite competition at 154 and 160. That's still better than probably any active fighter at the moment. On top of that, throw in his decent wins and impressive performances, no one else actively compares to his body of work as a whole. If you are going to call his resume overrated, then call every other active fighter's resume overrated because his is better then all of theirs. Are you going to do that? Probably not, you are going to pin point Canelo because that's what being at the top warrants. People like you nit pick at them the same way they did to Floyd and Andre Ward, the two previous guys with a body of work in their resume which was head and shoulders above everyone else's. This is history repeating itself. First things first. YOU discredited your own argument. Not me. If you actually read anything I wrote other than the **** you wanted to argue then you'd know this. I said overrated doesnt mean bad but you are clearly overrated his resume. I think Canelo has a good resume but let's LETS NOT ACT LIKE COTTO WAS IN HIS PRIME AND FIGHTING AT 154 like you claim. The guy ducked GGG ffs for the chance to try to cherry pick Canelo just like Floyd. And the head and shoulders thing. Canelo might have wins over some good opponents but let's not lie to ourselves again. Trout, Lara, Jacobs, GGG, and Cotto Those are the 5 guys you claim as top 5 guys right? Tell me how good he did against these guys? 4 controversial decisions. A good win against a good blown up welterweight. A solid but non exciting win over Jacobs. Yeah hes good but he is NOT head and shoulders above his opponents based on those showings. Is he the best? Sure. But the way you and so many of his fans act with his resume he might as well have knocked everyone out and won easy 12 round landslide decisions against them. Did he do that? No. Near every fight was damn controversial. Look at his face after Lara? Dude straight up thought he lost. After GGG 1. Saved by a ludicrous 118-110 score card. GGG2 saved by the narrative in a very close competitive fight that you Canelo fans again, overrate his performance and was still controversial to the majority of fans. Like come on dude. When fans like you have to resort to **** like, oh, the narrative saves my hero (he won using mexican style) and you "create rules" to justify you means (let's compare faces) do you really believe the **** you say? Canelo is a solid very good fighter, but **** like BOSSNELO. GODNELO. Lmfao. As a fan you're okay with that ****? Is his resume among the best of active fighters? Sure. Could be 2nd best, but personally I dont rate him that high because #1, hes a diva and just like floyd is overrated, #2 hes not head and shoulders above his competition. Take guys like Crawford. Lomachenko. Usyk. Or ****. Even Fury. Inoue. All those guys might not have as strong as a resume but are head and shoulders above their competition. Sure I'd love to see them challenged but when they do get challenged I dont have that feeling at the back of my mind that scores will be skewed in their favor or that they're only making business decisions. Ya feel? Must be fun being a Canelo fan knowing that you will get favorable score cards huh?

Easy explanation. Overrated doesnt always mean bad especially in the context it's used. Most people thing Canelo has a very good resume, but it is overrated especially when people like you talk about it. Please dude. Trying to say something like, "Cotto was in his prime " when he fought Canelo is the huge lie and completely discredits your own argument, hence overrated. Cotto was not in his prime when he fought Canelo and Cotto was not a real middleweight. Cotto was a blown up welterweight who had careful matchmaking to get him that title. So much so he paid GGG step aside money so he could fight Canelo. What does that tell you?Okay, you just discredited my entire argument by naming 1 out of 5 guys who possibly weren't in their prime, and not in their proper weight class. Well Cotto's weight class was 154, Canelo fought him at 155. Cotto was also coming off some good wins and looking very strong under Roach. It's Miguel Cotto, and he was still an elite fighter. Even if he wasn't it's 1 guy. Take that 1 guy away, 4 wins against top elite competition at 154 and 160. That's still better than probably any active fighter at the moment. On top of that, throw in his decent wins and impressive performances, no one else actively compares to his body of work as a whole. If you are going to call his resume overrated, then call every other active fighter's resume overrated because his is better then all of theirs. Are you going to do that? Probably not, you are going to pin point Canelo because that's what being at the top warrants. People like you nit pick at them the same way they did to Floyd and Andre Ward, the two previous guys with a body of work in their resume which was head and shoulders above everyone else's. This is history repeating itself.