It's not like Pacquiao Vs De La Hoya Where Pacquiao was a big underdog or Mikey Vs Spence and Loma Vs Rigondeaux...in these cases the smaller fighters actually were the underdogs and daring to be great, not a heavy favourite.
The odds for GGG-Derevyanchenko are closer and the odds for GGG-Canelo are almost 50/50 and Canelo would also not be a big favourite Vs the likes of Bivol and Callum Smith.
So my question is...how exactly is Canelo daring to be great when he is such a big favourite? If he was truly daring to be great he would have picked a fight where he wasn't such a big favourite right?
I personally think the odds are a bit too wide, but it probably has alot to do with how short notice the fight is for Kovalev and how tough his last fight was.
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I will do a short explanation (not native language :) - will take Kov vs Canelo.
1) You start with some odds that you feel are reasonable (probably more to it , as you want to make ppl bet at your place and not the competitor).
2) you start to balance the odds such that if more ppl say Canelo wins then you give better odds for Kov , then ppl will say "oh look at the odds on Kov" and start betting on him , thus you have money on the other "side" of the bet.
Your goal as the house is to balance all betting payouts to a point where nothing is paid out by you.
Now for each bet allocated you take a portion which is called juice or vig or whatever you like.
So in a scenario where you were able to balance all the bets then you made money no matter the result , which is the ambition of any gambling agency , they do not care who wins AT ALL!
That is also why they dont like getting big bets close to the fight on one fighter , they dont have time to balance it out so they might decline such bets (regardless of the fact that it might indicate something fishy in the fight , thats another discussion).
So TLDR - Odds are there and are changing througout the run out to the event with a goal to balance the payouts to all sides , a bookie who managed to do it will make money regardless of the outcome due to a cut he takes for each bet.
Austin Trout in his prime fresh off schooling Cotto was a good win.
I don't put much stock into that trout win. Trout claim to fame is beating cotto who basically is undersized and past prime. He lost to everyone who's basically worth mentioning.
It's not an easy fight at all, it's not daring to be great either.
About six months ago Crawford was asked if he would consider moving up to take a fight vs Canelo. With no shame whatsoever he said”Why don’t you ask Canelo to move up and fight Kovalev?” Nobody asked, he went ahead and did it. How is this not daring to be great?
As a neutral party, this is a dumb fight for Canelo to take. Kovalev is too big and still has that power. Even if Canelo wins it's a fight that puts unneeded miles on a fighter.
High Risk, Kovalev could KO him.
Low reward, beating Kovalev won't mean much except for the LHW move.
I don't get taking this fight for Canelo. Is he doing it just to rub GGG's nose in the fact that GGG refused to move weight his entire career?
Won’t mean much? He would become the 4th boxer all time to have held a world title at 54 and 75... the other 3??? Are all all time greats.
As a neutral party, this is a dumb fight for Canelo to take. Kovalev is too big and still has that power. Even if Canelo wins it's a fight that puts unneeded miles on a fighter.
High Risk, Kovalev could KO him.
Low reward, beating Kovalev won't mean much except for the LHW move.
I don't get taking this fight for Canelo. Is he doing it just to rub GGG's nose in the fact that GGG refused to move weight his entire career?
It's not like Pacquiao Vs De La Hoya Where Pacquiao was a big underdog or Mikey Vs Spence and Loma Vs Rigondeaux...in these cases the smaller fighters actually were the underdogs and daring to be great, not a heavy favourite.
The odds for GGG-Derevyanchenko are closer and the odds for GGG-Canelo are almost 50/50 and Canelo would also not be a big favourite Vs the likes of Bivol and Callum Smith.
So my question is...how exactly is Canelo daring to be great when he is such a big favourite? If he was truly daring to be great he would have picked a fight where he wasn't such a big favourite right?
I personally think the odds are a bit too wide, but it probably has alot to do with how short notice the fight is for Kovalev and how tough his last fight was.
Why you so worried bout Nelo? Make a thread exposing Pvssy-G.
Yeah that's bull ****ing **** and you know it.
No I don’t know that, I’ve been pretty open in saying I think Kovalev wins provided there’s no catchweight or crazy rehydration clause.
At the very least I don’t see how Canelo is such a big favourite, I could understand if he was a slight favourite.
I think based on Canelo's past, everyone (I know I am) is expecting a weight stipulation that will make the fight unwinnable for Kovalev.
That said, I still haven't heard one yet. If I still haven't in the next week or so I'm jumping on those odds of about 4-1.
It's not like Pacquiao Vs De La Hoya Where Pacquiao was a big underdog or Mikey Vs Spence and Loma Vs Rigondeaux...in these cases the smaller fighters actually were the underdogs and daring to be great, not a heavy favourite.
The odds for GGG-Derevyanchenko are closer and the odds for GGG-Canelo are almost 50/50 and Canelo would also not be a big favourite Vs the likes of Bivol and Callum Smith.
So my question is...how exactly is Canelo daring to be great when he is such a big favourite? If he was truly daring to be great he would have picked a fight where he wasn't such a big favourite right?
I personally think the odds are a bit too wide, but it probably has alot to do with how short notice the fight is for Kovalev and how tough his last fight was.
Canelo was the underdog vs triple g... you give his credit for that? Since you wanna criticize him now?
Canelo fans fail to recognize that he is a big MW, and is now probably struggling to get down to 160 for his fights. I still give him credit for going up to 175 to take on Kovalev. He fought Jacobs earlier in the year and is now taking on Kovalev, so back to back top level opponents, can't complain. I just hope if he plans on staying at 160 he rematches Golovkin and unifies titles with Charlo and/or Andrade. If he makes any more stops at 168 it needs to be against Smith or Plant.
It's a good match up, nothing more nothing less. Kov is past it but still one of the top guys in the division. He's much bigger and still a good puncher with good boxing skills. Obviously, his weaknesses play right into Canelo's hands which makes the odds the way they are. But if there arent any crazy weight stipulations, i expect this to be a highly competitive fight. It would be a good win for either fighter.
Those odds are unrealistic, I’m sure they’ll even out and probably end up favoring kovalev when we get closer to the fight. But ask all the experts which you don’t have to cuzz if you look closer yourself you can see that kovalev is a master of the distance with that jab. Canelo will have to lunge in and hell just keep getting jabbed. This isn’t an easy fight
It's not an easy fight at all, it's not daring to be great either.
Daring to be great isn't determined by the odds. Oddsmakers weigh the public's betting tendencies for a particular fighter, the action they predict he'll get at +/-?00, where they can win without being too exposed, and an assortment of other factors that weigh on the odds.
Regardless of how you or anyone else rate Kovalev, he's a future Hall of Famer that currently holds a world title 2 divisions above Canelo's last weight class. Win or lose when you're looking at Canelo's resume, Kovalev's name is going to pop out at you while Bivol is what Postol and Smith is what Indongo are to Crawford's resume. If Canelo wins, he's defeated one of the best Light Heavyweights of this era.
It's not like Pacquiao Vs De La Hoya Where Pacquiao was a big underdog or Mikey Vs Spence and Loma Vs Rigondeaux...in these cases the smaller fighters actually were the underdogs and daring to be great, not a heavy favourite.
The odds for GGG-Derevyanchenko are closer and the odds for GGG-Canelo are almost 50/50 and Canelo would also not be a big favourite Vs the likes of Bivol and Callum Smith.
So my question is...how exactly is Canelo daring to be great when he is such a big favourite? If he was truly daring to be great he would have picked a fight where he wasn't such a big favourite right?
I personally think the odds are a bit too wide, but it probably has alot to do with how short notice the fight is for Kovalev and how tough his last fight was.
Those odds are unrealistic, I’m sure they’ll even out and probably end up favoring kovalev when we get closer to the fight. But ask all the experts which you don’t have to cuzz if you look closer yourself you can see that kovalev is a master of the distance with that jab. Canelo will have to lunge in and hell just keep getting jabbed. This isn’t an easy fight