why the arguements?..its obvious vitali was winning the fight....but he didnt win the fight..which is the main thing. I think with a full training camp behind lewis..he wouldnt have looked so sluggish,and i think the fight would have gone longer,and lewis would have got a TKO in the latter rounds. Thats not to take anything away from vitali...he really took the fight to Lewis.
One of the best heavyweight fights of the past decade...u could even put 2 decades into that....excelelnt..loved the 2nd round...v.exciting
G-man was far more of a complete fighter then Pavlik....and his power was something else (not to say Pavliks aint...but back in the day...G-man was the shit!)
thought this was directed to fighters..and what they should eat on fight night?!....but yeh...chicken wings,dips...ice cream...goesdown well...as far as fighters are concerned i believe ricky Hatton has a full english fry up on the day of his fight...he says it wont have any effectonthe actuall dayof the fight
its good it Calz gets a Win,takes the belt,and brnigs something to the party for aclash with Hopkins later in the year..would make that fight that much bigger
back about 12 pages ago...when this was still on the original subject..... at the presser...they were chanting 'hopkins is a pussy,hopkins is a pussy' ...which i thought was pretty funny,hopkins was getting pissed...n when he saw calzaghe encouraging it..he went over n had a face off...good stuff
woaaah...the G-man woul;d not have won a few rounds n lost 2 rounds to 10,lol...G-man had amazing knockout ability....and the fact that roy was isand foreever will be suspect where his chin is concerned,there is a fair hance that if the G-man connected,Roy would be out for the count. Steward said as much...Roy was Lucky not to Face the G-man in his prime,otherwise that career,and that long unbeaten streak...being P4P....hmmm...i doubt any of that would have happened had he faced G-man and been knocked out on his ass.
I think he would have beaten Benn,Benn was far too erratic ...and lost his cool in the ring alot...jones would have just boxed his hed off.
Collins,just wanted to make a big payday...so he aleld Jones out on almsot every tv broadcast he was on. Collins would have had his head boxed of too..he had no power in his punches, but granted he could take a few. Would have been like Calzaghe Vs Lacy.
I think Eubanks awkward style would have given Roy some problems..it would have been a flip of a coin for me. I think Eubank could have beaten him,and i think Roy could have had Eubank. Would have been a great trillogy if it happened like that. Prime for prime,its too difficult to call,cus Eubank was a clever clever, awkward opponent, with a great chin,and real knock out power...he wasnt exactly slow either. We all know RJJ brings all his skills to the table..and it wouldhave made a great bout.
RJJ should have had Hopkins again, about 3 years ago...any fight now,it just wouldnt have the same feel about it,and would be almost worthless...
RJJ prime 4 prime would have been interesting with Calzaghe. Problem being..i think Calzaghe has got better with age (broken hands not inculded)...and RJJ the oposite..so it would have been hard to ever judge them on a even footing. I would still watch a fight between them now tho..both stil very quick and skilled,i would say Calzaghe's better chin, n work rate gives him the win.
Witter is under-rated....he has some real talent...fine he may be a prick...but most boxers are pricks...if your going to hate on Witter for being a prick,you gotto hate on pretty much eery other boxer out there. He has skills,and yes he will be harder then facing the Kostya Hatton faced. Above poster was correct in saying he has an upsetting style..especally for someone like hatton. I could see Hatton getting his second defeat on the spin in this one.
ermmm..didnt witter take the judah fight..at like 2weeks notice?....imagine that...if floyd faced an inshape oscar or hatton at 2 weeks notice..he would have lost..both times...
Your arguement is lame....witter has an awkward fighting style..and will give hatton..and most light welters big problems.
hey douchebag, u said that if pbf fought with 2 weeks notice he would lose, but u did not mean that for witter as well???????????? ok now your changing, and or u write unclear. never did i say witter is shit, never! i did say he is not as good as kostya, and that is what this thread is about. u can read, can't you? why the pavlik talk? i never mentioned him in a hatton thread so why do you? whats the matter boy, your pussy hurt. wahhhhhh, go cry me a fucking river. learn something b4 u talk shit, and can not back it up, than u change the subject to hide like a bitch. fuck off and go back to your mama :owned:
resorting to insults..thats a sure sign of someone knowing fuck all...did the WTC fall on your head n leave u retarded.
ciao thick fucker
Pavlik Vs Taylor was the most exciting...but you wouldnt say it was of the highest level. Hatton Vs Mayweather...was good in that you had one fighter trying to make it a close in fight...and the other showing his skills and mainly keeping things at range, but also showing his skills on the inside.
But overall...for the high levels of both fighters...id go for JC V MK. As the HBO team said during commentry it was boxing of the highest level..and not just by one fighter boxing another fighters head off..they were both boxing to a very high level for the first 6/7 rounds, before Cal pulled away abit..but even then...MK didnt exactly ive up...and kept comming looking for a knockout. Add to this the atmosphere in that arena/stadium...
Gotto mention Cotto/Mosley sumwhere in that too..i thought Mosleys experience would tell...and though it was an entertaining fight..just like KP V JT ...you wouldnt say it was the of the very highest standard ni that division.
great reply, ur owned boy!
If i got owned...then...then what happened when your city was blown to peices..surely u your family your friends, every cunt you see everyday...is still getting over that ownage? :-) god bless osama
yeah because witter would have erased the 118-110 cards and turned it around for a win! ur lame! dont run your mouth and speculate bs when u have no idea! did you even see the fight? go watch it and see how witter was not even man enough to engage zab inside! all he wanted to do was stay outside, playing it safe, showing little offense in the fight, and he got beat 118-110. witter ran more than he fought!
ermmm ive seen the fight...and i not for one min said he would ahve won the fight had he had a proper training camp...did you hear me say that?..nope...stop making up shit.
Il 'run my mouth' as i see fit...i have an opinion..just as u do..and for you to claim witter is shit blah blah...hey what if taylor ahd your boy knock the fuck out..he was what...an inch away from it..would you still be all...Pavliks the man..blah blah..or would he be a bum..just lke you see witter being a bum.
Witter is a legit world cham..and has been active...kostya had hardly fought...he was rusty...even Warren said ...they got him because they got him at just the right time....oooh fuck it...its hard to make morons understand, when they have already decided what their opinion is,and no amount of facts is going to change it
what u dont understand is that the vast majority dont want Hatton to fight Witter, end of story
No i do understadn that..but i said..just looking at the facts...dnt look at witters personalty...the fact is he is a world champ...he is offering to fight in hattons home town..and offering the lions share of the purse..to most fighers..if not all of them...that would seem an amazing deal
what would you expect?...if american soccer between the best american teamswas shown in spain.compare it to how many peolpe would watch R.Madrid Vs Barcelona...obviously hardly any1 will bother watching the american soccer. The Spanish/English/Italians...basically anyone in europe wouldnt really care,as it doesnt really effect them.Just like the super middleweight division doesnt effect the americans,as it doesnt have any real contenders in that division.
Fact that hardly anyone watched it...doesnt mean it was a poor fight,or they are poor fighters. Had one of them been american,you could add a million or 2 viewers to those figures im sure
what facts u on about, the only top level performer that Witter has faced is Zab and he got beat there.Now junior is a decent boxer but he doesnt deserve a big big payday against Ricky just because he comes from yorkshire and because he shoots his mouth off.
If he takes an 80/20 split then fight, Witter is not worth a penny more
I know your trying to be a clever cock right here..but read todays quotes from Witters management..they said they would give Ricky the lions share of what they make from the show...you chatting out of your ass now...all Witter wants is a fight...Hatton after his defeat..has what..malliagni...witter...and thats aboutit...he cnt fight at 147...his options are limited...like he says he has 2/3 fights..one more year left fighting..so why not fight the guy with a Worldchamp belt..at home..infront of your own fans,with most of the gate...thats more then resonable
Kessler to fight RJJ,or Bute....someone with a name...id like to see Kessler become a world star...goodlooking, very good fighter,charming personality....im sure he would sell well...if marketed correctly.
to the moron who started this thread....go get yourselfapic of calzaghe 15 years ago...then one of him today..and note there is very littledifferance in his face...thats because he doesnt get hit that much....if he had as bad a defence as you say he does..his face would be like gatti's.
Your just bitchin cus you love Hopkins,n are looking to put down his next opponent,if it was pavlik,you'dhave said the same shit.
Your opinion may mean alot to you..but you dnt train fighters, you dnt fight, your not a pro, your not a boxing writer...however i have read quotes from many of those peple sy he is top 5 p4p, arum said he was second behind to PBF a few days ago...steward said he was top 3...but u..ur opinion, obviously outweighs theirs right?...oh ok...the in that case, your right,he's really shit...really poor...if only he was black,and american, and slightly racist..then he'd be amazing right?..P4P number 1? moron
oooh n as for fighting in wales...most of his pro fights have been in England which is a different country..but you wouldnt know that right?..and he has fought in germany....which as hopkins says is still europe...but hopkins has only fought on one continent himself right?..so whats he crying about?
anyways your post was retarded,and u know it...if u want to discredit a fighter,try picking one who hasnt been rated top 3 P4P by guys working in the business at the highest level for the past 30 years...cus honestly ,and truely..your opinion next to theirs...means...well not alot :-)
In the ring....as a fighter...skills wise?...no...obviously he is one of the most talented boxers ever...however i can think of one boxer in his own era who is more skilled then him in his prime..so when u find one in his own era..and u look back over 100 years of boxing..im sure you can find a few more...btw...im talking about RJJ. Much more complete boxer i think
Cortez did suck...he allowed no in-fighting...and in fighting is a skill...essentially he didnt allow for ricky to show off his skills.But to be fair floyd would have won either wayi suspect...he's too quick...too skilled..Imnot a hatton ball licker..but i like the guy..but i can admit floyd is too good for ricky...but the fight would have been alot closer if Hatton was allowed to use his skills inside. People forget when talking about this fight,Hatton almost had a knockdown at the beginning,despite not being able to build up the pressure he'dlike to by fighting on the inside.
Cortez sucks ass,and should only get fight that involve two counter punchers...otherwise its going to be stop start stop start throughout 12 rounds.
anyways..its happened now..who cares?...ricky took the loss well..joking about it..floyd showed off his skills..he won..life goes on..imsure floyd willget cotto next year...if cotto can avoid defeat in the meantime...and imsure ricky is going to fight again...look at the support he gets...thats why people want to fight him..not because he has a belt, or because he'sagood fighter...peoplewnt to fight him..cus they know there will be a big gate,and hence alot of money involved..listen to paulie...he saw all Hattons fans...and he knows he can make sum money from it. Think about it..Hatton doesnt have a belt,has just come off a loss...he's not exactly hot property at the moment..but whoever he does fight next...he'l make alot of money for them..and paulie knows it.
I think lennox had it right when he said..if ricky cnt avenge the defeat,he should retire...cus i fail to see how u can get up for paulie,or witter,when u have just had PBF in such a huge fight...if he got a rematch...obviously he'd be up for it.But im not sure hatton believes he can wni,and on the other side..imnot sure floyd would want to bother. But in saying that..the fight made floyd a pretty penny..so when he's counting it..and realising what kinda money Hatton has braught him..he may change his mind...although the fight will be harder to sell this time around. Then again,i suspect the Hatton fans will continue to travel to see ricky fight
No, speed isnt his most impressive aspect, speed doesnt make you more intelligent, his calmness and his ring intelligence are what makes him who he is, James Toney is very similar, he remains calm at all times.
no no...your wrong...listen if it wasnt about speed..ten dnt you think someone like SRL, with his boxing brain would still be fighting now...and beating people?..but he istn..because as good as his boxing brain was..his speed allowed him to carry out what his boxing brain told him to do...so obviously when his speed slowed down.a.s he got older...he became less of a fighter..doesnt mean his boxing brain or ring smarts had disminshed...it wassimply his ability to do what his brain is telling him to do.
I gather you love PBF..and i wasnt saying he wasnt a talented figher,or he does not have ring smarts...but you can have allthe ring smarts in the world...but without the speed of thought to carry them out..to duck n dive, to slip punches, to snap sum1's neck back 3 times within what seems like half a second...then your not going to be as great as SRL was,and PBF is.
Please dnt think i was cursing your boy out because i said his main attribute is speed.Obviously he has alot else going for him..if he was JUST a speed merchant..then he'd be a fighter like Zab judah.
C-drone...Calzaghehas said many times about hopkins pussying out of a fight..not jsut Warren...dnt u think the number of times JC has said it..to the press..and it ahs been printed..do u not think if it wasnt tre that Hopkins would say something about it?...he doesnt seem the shy n retireing type..ims ure if it wasnt true,he'd have aot to say for himeslf
the most impressive aspect to his game is his speed..obvously he has great ring smarts aswell..but without his speed...his wouldnt beable to use his ring smarts,as he does.
Sad thing is..speed is one of the 1st things to go...i expect floyd to be properly retired in 12months/18 months time.I dnt see how he could dominate top welters by being slower...as slow or slower as his oponents. Against hatton his speed still looked very good..at 30...but hewont be one of those fighters who is still fighting in his mid-late 30's...he knows he wont have the speed to compete with the very best in welter at that time.
Lacy was unbeaten, with a high knockout percentage, with the IBF title..thats hardly what you call a bum....its fair to say he was a bum after the fight tho
Macca has in the main hasnt had enough good quality opposition..its embarassing sometimes to see the guys he is fighting...i dnt blame hmi..his management need to look at themselves for that one..and i believe it will be the factthat Haye has faced better fighters,higher quality oppositions,that will give him the edge,i expect a knock down win,in the mid to late rounds.