Joe Calzaghe is nothing "special"....

shitty analysis of calzaghe tbh

168.......WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THAT SHITTY DIVISION. NAME 10 ELITE/ HOF FIGHTERS FROM 168. there isnt 10 hof in that weight but calzhage is without a dout a HOF so wht i said still stands

.....despite whatever HBO's commentary crew may lead you to believe otherwise. Joe is an average fighter, and nothing more. He possesses some natural athletic ability, and some technical boxing savy but nothing to the level of what HBO would lead you to believe. The Positive On the positive side he has a tremendous work rate, he's a solid counter puncher, and a natural ability to switch styles if needed. This has worked for Calzaghe throughout his career thus far, simply swarm with activity, switch styles if needed, and cruise to a victory. The Negative Calzaghe's negatives far outweigh his positives, in my humble opinion. He has next to no defense whatsoever, he is incapable of fighting going backwards, he will scrap with a guy just for the sake of scrapping with him, and his punches pack all the power of a roman candle. There's nothing extraordinary about a fighter like Calzaghe. He's fought only in his home Country of Wales for his entire career. That may not be a big deal to his fans, but it is to most boxing fans. Imagine if Miguel Cotto openly claimed to be one of the best without ever having fought outside of Puerto Rico. Or if Manny Pacquiao claimed to be one of the best without ever fighting outside of the Philippines. Or if Juan Manuel Marquez achieved his status without ever fighting big names in America? The point is, the best are always willing to fight the best in America. Say what you will about Ricky Hatton but at least he had the stones to campaign in the division outside of his own backyard. Julio Cesar Chaves would've never attained the status he has if he continued to fight what the majority of the boxing public deemed as "tin cans" in Mexico instead of coming to the U.S. to fight the big names. It's put up or shut up time for Joe Calzaghe. I don't have any ill feelings towards the guy, I'm not that type of "fan" who makes personal judgments about why they like/dislike certain fighters. I've just grown weary of Calzaghe's talk over the years, calling out guys like Hopkins and Jones when they were mega-stars and he still hadn't even beaten anybody of note. I'm sorry Calzaghe (and his fans) but I'm very weary of any professional fighter who has refused to fight outside of his own backyard, and has been figting nobodies for the better of 15 years. Especially now that he's looking to cement his "legacy" off the back of a past his prime ring legend who's seen better days. (For the record, I'm still backing Hopkins to beat that bum silly.) i agree cals only the best super middleweight ever but oh well nothing special ay:ugh:

.....despite whatever HBO's commentary crew may lead you to believe otherwise. Joe is an average fighter, and nothing more. He possesses some natural athletic ability, and some technical boxing savy but nothing to the level of what HBO would lead you to believe. The Positive On the positive side he has a tremendous work rate, he's a solid counter puncher, and a natural ability to switch styles if needed. This has worked for Calzaghe throughout his career thus far, simply swarm with activity, switch styles if needed, and cruise to a victory. The Negative Calzaghe's negatives far outweigh his positives, in my humble opinion. He has next to no defense whatsoever, he is incapable of fighting going backwards, he will scrap with a guy just for the sake of scrapping with him, and his punches pack all the power of a roman candle. There's nothing extraordinary about a fighter like Calzaghe. He's fought only in his home Country of Wales for his entire career. That may not be a big deal to his fans, but it is to most boxing fans. Imagine if Miguel Cotto openly claimed to be one of the best without ever having fought outside of Puerto Rico. Or if Manny Pacquiao claimed to be one of the best without ever fighting outside of the Philippines. Or if Juan Manuel Marquez achieved his status without ever fighting big names in America? The point is, the best are always willing to fight the best in America. Say what you will about Ricky Hatton but at least he had the stones to campaign in the division outside of his own backyard. Julio Cesar Chaves would've never attained the status he has if he continued to fight what the majority of the boxing public deemed as "tin cans" in Mexico instead of coming to the U.S. to fight the big names. It's put up or shut up time for Joe Calzaghe. I don't have any ill feelings towards the guy, I'm not that type of "fan" who makes personal judgments about why they like/dislike certain fighters. I've just grown weary of Calzaghe's talk over the years, calling out guys like Hopkins and Jones when they were mega-stars and he still hadn't even beaten anybody of note. I'm sorry Calzaghe (and his fans) but I'm very weary of any professional fighter who has refused to fight outside of his own backyard, and has been figting nobodies for the better of 15 years. Especially now that he's looking to cement his "legacy" off the back of a past his prime ring legend who's seen better days. (For the record, I'm still backing Hopkins to beat that bum silly.) from a hopkins fan :) he lost to taylor twice and jones once. atleast he fought some good fighters his size and lost. against people smaller like winky and oscar he won :)

Lacy was unbeaten, with a high knockout percentage, with the IBF title..thats hardly what you call a bum....its fair to say he was a bum after the fight tho

to the moron who started this thread....go get yourselfapic of calzaghe 15 years ago...then one of him today..and note there is very littledifferance in his face...thats because he doesnt get hit that much....if he had as bad a defence as you say he does..his face would be like gatti's. Your just bitchin cus you love Hopkins,n are looking to put down his next opponent,if it was pavlik,you'dhave said the same shit. Your opinion may mean alot to you..but you dnt train fighters, you dnt fight, your not a pro, your not a boxing writer...however i have read quotes from many of those peple sy he is top 5 p4p, arum said he was second behind to PBF a few days ago...steward said he was top 3...but u..ur opinion, obviously outweighs theirs right?...oh ok...the in that case, your right,he's really shit...really poor...if only he was black,and american, and slightly racist..then he'd be amazing right?..P4P number 1? moron oooh n as for fighting in wales...most of his pro fights have been in England which is a different country..but you wouldnt know that right?..and he has fought in germany....which as hopkins says is still europe...but hopkins has only fought on one continent himself right?..so whats he crying about? anyways your post was retarded,and u know it...if u want to discredit a fighter,try picking one who hasnt been rated top 3 P4P by guys working in the business at the highest level for the past 30 years...cus honestly ,and truely..your opinion next to theirs...means...well not alot :-)

.....despite whatever HBO's commentary crew may lead you to believe otherwise. Joe is an average fighter, and nothing more. He possesses some natural athletic ability, and some technical boxing savy but nothing to the level of what HBO would lead you to believe. The Positive On the positive side he has a tremendous work rate, he's a solid counter puncher, and a natural ability to switch styles if needed. This has worked for Calzaghe throughout his career thus far, simply swarm with activity, switch styles if needed, and cruise to a victory. The Negative Calzaghe's negatives far outweigh his positives, in my humble opinion. He has next to no defense whatsoever, he is incapable of fighting going backwards, he will scrap with a guy just for the sake of scrapping with him, and his punches pack all the power of a roman candle. There's nothing extraordinary about a fighter like Calzaghe. He's fought only in his home Country of Wales for his entire career. That may not be a big deal to his fans, but it is to most boxing fans. Imagine if Miguel Cotto openly claimed to be one of the best without ever having fought outside of Puerto Rico. Or if Manny Pacquiao claimed to be one of the best without ever fighting outside of the Philippines. Or if Juan Manuel Marquez achieved his status without ever fighting big names in America? The point is, the best are always willing to fight the best in America. Say what you will about Ricky Hatton but at least he had the stones to campaign in the division outside of his own backyard. Julio Cesar Chaves would've never attained the status he has if he continued to fight what the majority of the boxing public deemed as "tin cans" in Mexico instead of coming to the U.S. to fight the big names. It's put up or shut up time for Joe Calzaghe. I don't have any ill feelings towards the guy, I'm not that type of "fan" who makes personal judgments about why they like/dislike certain fighters. I've just grown weary of Calzaghe's talk over the years, calling out guys like Hopkins and Jones when they were mega-stars and he still hadn't even beaten anybody of note. I'm sorry Calzaghe (and his fans) but I'm very weary of any professional fighter who has refused to fight outside of his own backyard, and has been figting nobodies for the better of 15 years. Especially now that he's looking to cement his "legacy" off the back of a past his prime ring legend who's seen better days. (For the record, I'm still backing Hopkins to beat that bum silly.) YOU ARE 100% RIGHT, Joe ain't nothing SPECIAL, he is MORE than that, 1 of a kind..

joe calzaghe is ten times more special than hopkins and pavlik....

Go Rewatch The Kessler Fight Then Tell Me He's Nothing Special... I can tell you that The Bringer is not saying Calzaghe sucks, but I do understand what he is saying (at least I think so). He is saying that HBO is trying to hype him way more than he deserves to be (at least for his performances on HBO). They seriously made the commentary for the Kessler bout sound more one-sided than Showtime did for the Lacy bout (and Showtime actually just had to report what was going on for their shit to sound one-sided). I thought he put on one hell of a show against Kessler, but HBO took it too far. It also is not out of the question that Hopkins beats him, because Joe has never faced anyone who fights like B-Hop (in fact, no one in the sport has unless they have faced Bernard Hopkins). He is one of a kind, and Joe is going to have to come up with a way to get Bernard out of control of the ring like Bernard has been in for almost all of his fights. I personally think he can and will do it, but it will be a huge wake up call to everyone who thinks Calzaghe is god's gift to the sport.

"He has next to no defense whatsoever" Stop reading after that. you got, you got, you got, you got :owned2:

Winky and Hopkins at 160, no headbutts allowed, different result. I actually thought Winky won that fight, but I guess I was in the minority. No complaints though... it wasn't an easy fight to score (Hopkins's fights never are).

Last I heard they had agreed on a 50/50 split, but a date has not been set, yet. To fight WHERE? That's the key point, I think.

C'mon Bringer, he's the undisputed SMW champ. Undefeated and had a belt for 10 years. Give the man some credit.

I've been gone for a week. Has the Calzaghe v. Hopkins fight been made? I am saying this because after last weeks' Floyd/Hatton fight, I would figure that Calzaghe may be even more determined to avoid fighting in the U.S., if you know what I mean. Last I heard they had agreed on a 50/50 split, but a date has not been set, yet.

well none of that sht matters now all that matters is can he beat hopkins now lets see how is ths shzniit I've been gone for a week. Has the Calzaghe v. Hopkins fight been made? I am saying this because after last weeks' Floyd/Hatton fight, I would figure that Calzaghe may be even more determined to avoid fighting in the U.S., if you know what I mean.

i kinda agree with him tho.. i mean. at age 35 he decides he wants to step up the comp.. dont say ppl ducked him.. bs

Thing is, these same people hating on Calzaghe, saying he's never fought abroad etc will be the same ones churning out the excuses (B-Hop was over the hill, he should have fought RJJ, Winky, whoever) when Calzaghe beats him. A hater is a hater at the end of the day.

the bringer = bias'd HATER

Oh... shit, I didn't realize what you were saying. I thought you were saying Winky didn't beat anyone at 154, and I was like... hmmm, that was definately his best weight. My apologies. Winky and Hopkins at 160, no headbutts allowed, different result.

Calzaghe would school Winky and Tarver too. Hopkins is just a wizard against Southpaws. Calzaghe is special, he'd beat most guys from 160-175. This is not a prime Hopkins though, not even CLOSE, which is what you guys don't seem to realize. While not quite in his prime either, Calzaghe is near his and has the style to own this old version of Hopkins, and a prime Joe has a good chance to beat a prime Hopkins even.