Favorite 10
Mike Tyson
Joe Louis
Floyd Mayweather
Salvador Sanchez
Manny Pacquiao
James Toney
Diego Corrales
Julian Jackson
Michael Watson
Dwight Qawi
Least Favorites
Shitali Quitschko
Hoe Cal***he
Zab Judah
John Ruiz
Evander Holyfield
Joel Casamayor
Jesse James Leija
I don't think either Vasquez or McGirt will get in.
I think McGirt is more likely to. Vasquez may have the better numbers with the title defenses and all, but Buddy is more well known and had some success training, which may help with those who vote.
Only thing was Jones was the PPV King for a while. The two most popular PPV fighters of recent were Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Jr.
Roy's PPV sales weren't good until 2003 when he fought Ruiz. Besides the Toney fight which did solid #s, the others did poorly. Then there was the Ruiz fight which did well. Then he put up solid numbers after that for the Tarver trilogy.
I have no problem with the fight in of itself, but as a featured main event on a WCB telecast, or even BAD, which is supposed to feature twentysomethings, not 30+ yr-olds who are past their best?
It's not a big deal. That's nothing new. Mayweather-De La Hoya was two guys in their 30s, one past his prime and the other fighting at a weight class he didn't belong. Hopkins has fought Tarver and now Wright on PPV. There was the Jones-Tarver trilogy, the last two on HBO PPV. Barrera and Marquez are in their 30s.
I'd personally rather see a fight like Baldomir-Forrest than some of the mismatches HBO has put over the years.
......the odds on wlad -brewster dropped from 10-1 t0 3-1 hours before the bout........wlad subsequently dropped from "exhaustion" after only 5 rounds....hmm?
Very few people had bet on that fight, so a couple bets could've changed the odds dramatically.
Thomas Hauser had a good article on that fight and the likely reasons for the questionable circumstances.
I don't think Tyson vs Ettiene was even suspicious. Tyson landed a beatiful right hand on the chin. Would have knocked out 99% of heavy weights.
There was no fix, the Black Rhino got hit with a good shot and then quit.
Guys don't take the time to pull out their mouthpieces, and then go unconscious afterwards.
Clifford's chin wasn't exactly the best of chins anyway.
Jake LaMotta testified that he threw the Billy Fox fight for money and a future title shot.
Others that may have been:
Fireman Jim Flynn-Jack Dempsey?
Terry McGovern-Joe Gans?
Lulu Perez-Willie Pep?
I remember in the Foreman/Moore Legendary fights they said that in his first fight with Ali, that Foreman was up at the 8 count, then I was watching "When We Were Kings" & I saw the exact same thing, he was up at 8 & the ref just waved him to his corner. I'm not saying it was fixed but once Ali did the impossible no one was really interested in seeing Big George get back up, What would have happened if this fight had continued?
I think ref Zack Clayton reached the count of ten but commentator KFC Colonel Bob Sheridan was behind him in counting and was at 8.
Ali's corner had even come to Clayton earlier with money and told him to stop it if Ali was taking a horrible beating but wouldn't quit.
Foreman was mentally messed up for awhile after Zaire and is still making excuses for his loss and stupid perfomance.
The perception (true or false) that he hung-out with underworld types did nothing to enhance his credebility.
That wasn't just perception. The guy was basically managed by Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo.
Bore-snores, corruption, greed, fighters getting avoided, and all the other crap we see today is nothing new.
People get too nostalgic.
There was a lot of crap back in the "good old days" too.
Why do people act like this business aspect of boxing and corruption is new?
Was boxing not a business when Joe Gans was throwing fights for money because people didn't want to see a black lightweight champion?
Was it not a business when black heavyweights like Langford and Wills couldn't get title shots?
What about the 40s and 50s when the Mafia controlled guys like Ike Williams and Frankie Carbo was the most powerful man in boxing? When Beau Jack headlined more fights at the Garden than anyone else but ended up shining shoes for a living?
Or Jack Dempsey defending his heavyweight title once every eon....because he could make lots of money doing exhibitions instead?
Boxing has ALWAYS been a shady business.
True, And checkout some of the boxing nicknames nowadays that tells you a little something about the fighters just for shits and giggles, 1."The money man" oh very dangerous, 2."Strictly bussiness" lol very scary 3."The boxing banker" Whats he gonna do hit us with a cash register. rediculous lol.
Cory "The Next Generation" Spinks.
Yeah we know he comes from a boxing rich family. Doesn't mean his nickname has to sound like a Star Trek series.
Curry was an excellent fighter. Good technical skills, short crisp punches, powerful left hook. His win over Milton McCory is one of the most dominating title winning/unifying performances ever.
Curry might've been dead at the weight or at least weakened by making weight, he wasn't known for having the best habits outside the ring and had trouble making 147 before. He was never the same after losing to Lloyd.
Honeyghan was a strong guy who intimidated some opponents. He was a good fighter, but Starling schooled the living shit out of him.
agreed, lou dibella is an ass. i think joe rogan's "boxing is gettign swollowed " comment was directed at lou dibella more than it was at the sport of boxing....and it only came after dibella began attacking rogan. for dibella to refer to the ufc as human cockfighting was more disrespectful than what rogan said(imo).
Especially since boxing is more dangerous than UFC.
Dibella could've brought up the fact that the top UFC fighters get ripped off and underpaid more than the big name boxers do. He could've brought up the fact that boxing's biggest names like De La Hoya, Mayweather, Hopkins, Taylor, etc....make more money than the big names in UFC, so boxing will keep producing stars and talent since money is the big motivator for someone to be willing to get their heads bashed in. He could've talked about how boxing is more globalized now.
But instead he just showed an ignorant, elitist attitude.
I'm not sure exactly how popular a lot of these guys were, I know Duran was popular in the states (esp. NY) and made a lot of Sports Illustrated covers.
As far as who's the GREATEST Latin American fighters....
Duran is first, behind him is Monzon, Chavez, Arguello, Jofre.
The others behind Duran are interchangable in order.
Really... so that's what you call boxing, huh? Funny, because I just watched "When We Were Kings" last night and you cannot compare the lack of will Mayweather and De La Hoya put on display to, oh, say, the Ali and Foreman fight that I watched. After all, Mayweather and De La Hoya are supposed to be two of boxing's all time greats, right? Wasn't this fight supposed to rejuvenate boxing and bring it back to the forefront of sports. Heh, it couldn't have been much more of a failure to do so!
Now Pavlik and Miranda... that was boxing, and one hell of an entertaining fight. If you tell me that you find a match with two guys circling and slapping hands for 12 rounds as exciting as the Pavlik-Miranda fight... well, I gotta raise an eyebrow.
Seriously, calling that a legit, entertaining match worthy of ticket and PPV prices is part of the reason this sport is in such dire straits and you should be ashamed of yourself for being duped so easily.
Anyway, this thread isn't about the Mayweather-De La Hoya fight that most would agree wasn't even close to living up to the hype, sorry to go off-topic.
It's just that different styles of boxers don't always make for action filled fights.
I've seen plenty of Ali fights that were dull as shit.
Probably.
Charles wasn't at his peak at heavyweight. In fact, he wasn't ever quite the same after killing a guy in the ring which was years earlier. He was such a great fighter that he's considered #1 (or at least top 3) at 175 and also had a reign as HW champ.
I'm glad they didn't use this ending.
Me and my brotehr were talking the otehr day about the final rocky - we thought it would have been a better ending if Rocky had died in the ring.... even if he died in the ring, moments after winning???
I reckon Mason Dixon (is that the name of the opponent in Rocky 6?) is the worst opponant out of all the films....although he fights the most realistically -(obviously because he's a real life fighter). Theres nothing really in his character.
I agree, the ending they chose was better. It was like the first Rocky, he cares more about proving a point in showing he can compete rather than winning the fight.
Mason was the weakest villain, but that's the way the character was written. He wasn't supposed to be a "bad guy", just the opponent.
Clubber Lang was the best villain of the series.
For ODLH you forgot Oba Carr(probably the best never to win a belt)
Let's not exaggerate things. Carr was a good solid fighter.
No need to overrate him.
I was just about to say this. I can't even remember the best fighter Carr beat before he fought Oscar...? Frankie Randall?
I'm pretty sure that a couple of Oscar's contemporaries had beaten Carr thoroughly before Oscar got to him as well.
Carr was a talented fighter, but he was limited...and he hardly showed anything after dropping Trinidad in a spirited, albeit losing effort.
The only guys that officially beat Carr before Oscar did were Trinidad (8th round stoppage) and Quartey (MD that should have been UD). Bramble lost a decision to Carr when Carr was only like 19 or 20, but it's considered a robbery.