Its called GH or HGH gut. Look at guys like Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman vs the old V taper lean guys like Arnold and Franco Columbu if you want to see examples of Steroids + HGH vs Steroids.
Its a mentality. The EE's , Mexicans, other latins, philipinos who make it in boxing come up in hard lives and or tough as **** amatuer programs, even Emanual Steward has stated this. They typical american, and african - american(whaever that really means) comes up with an entitlement mentality, there is no arguing this otherwise you wouldnt hear them yell at that Ray Cyst guy everytime they dont get their way. He must get tired of being blamed for so much. You look at guys like Frazier, Foreman, Tyson, Holmes, Hopkins these guys came up hard and boxing was a way out and they made the most of it. You do not have this mentality in the American fighters for the most part anymore.
You wish,Ward and Dirrel are the best Super Middleweights and Dawson and Hopkins are the best Light-heavies,so those Euros aint even got a prayer.
Didnt Golovkin azz rape Dirrell in them there 'lympics back in 2004 when they fought?
So that was the Olympics i`m talking about the Pros.Most Eastern Euro fighters out right now are snacking on tomato cans.As soon as they fight one of our best AA fighters they are gonna get their ass handed to them and the excuses will come by the Euros and Euro worshipers.Just look at the Super Six.
If i make a thread about throwing it in ya faces i would quickly be banned.
Im pretty sure the super six isnt over, and its down to Andre Ward and Carl Froch, so if Ward wins gloat all you want. I think you arent getting it, the number of best "AA" fighters is dwindling. Hopkins and Floyd cant fight forever, Dawson and Direll are down low, Ward should be around for a while. Maybe some of the 2008 and 2012 Olympians will make a go of it. But for the foreseeable future it's Mexicans, ricans, Argentines, Philipinos, Slavs, Euros, and Anglos.
If you could make a thread without throwing all your nonsensical BS in it and used actual English(its "your faces" not "ya faces") that actually made a valid point i dont see any reason why it would be deleted.
You are either black or just trying to look "cool" and "tough". Stop that act, it doesn't become you.:rolleyes: How is this a racist thread when I already gave the black fighters props for being tough and unafraid to brawl IN THE PAST??
Its typical, you just put the name of a race in the thread title and everybody goes berserk on you. Can't stand it, just can't stand it you Americans.:nonono: You just are so fukked up when it comes to race matters.
Its because in America you have years of "well if you disagree with me then you are racistm and i am going to hide behind that in everything i do in life" most of these dickweeds who cry racism over everything have no idea what real racism is or what their ancestors had to go through. They just use it as an excuse to look ignorant in all matters they indulge in. I get your thread. Its not all American who act this way, just those who cant man up and accept the fact that someone may disagree with them on something. Like little babies they cry racist or racism when they dont get their way. I blame their overuse of jenkem for this behaviour.
Sometimes I hear this statement, and its very false. I just want to disprove it. This is a previous post by me.
Teenage George Foreman taking on the best Soviet HW in the world, Ionas Chapulis.
Joe Frazier taking on the best Soviet HW in the world, Vadim Yemelyanov. He broke his thumb halfway through this fight.
Please, please people. Stop with these incorrect statements. The best Soviet HWs did fight guys like Foreman and Frazier, and when Frazier and Foreman were still pre-prime.
You can give credit to Wladimir and Vitali without trying to downplay greats of the past.
You need to understand that the Soviet system was very political, Russians were often given favor over Ukranians, Uzbeks, Kazahks etc. If you notice in the 1996 olympics you started seeing these for USSR countries doing very well in boxing, Ukranians and Kazahks in particular. People make the claim they would have done well because immediatly following the 96 games the eatern bloc fighters started to make a lot of noise in pro boxing.
Did Floyd already fight a guy who had been 154 champ and only had a few few fights at 160? Some guy named De La Hoya? So why would there be a problem with him facing Martinez at 154?
Your people would be nothing without blacks.We are the one that introduced civilization to you people,Your people were living in caves when blacks created civilization.Your people gonna go and lie and say we did`nt create anything and take credit for everything we created and all our great heroes Like Hannibal and Imhotep your people portray them as white when in reality they were black.
Read Books by Ancient Greek Historians like Homer Herodutos and numerous others and they`ll tell you where greek got all their advance knowledge.Your people ignore these writers so they could promote Whites as some supreme beings.
You're kidding right? If you look at African tribes that havnt been influenced by European colonization and you still see a bunch of savages running around in cloth diapers eating each other. Because, if as you claim ,blacks were responsible for so much of our civlization, wouldnt they have built ships to colonize Europe instead of the other way around, invented antibiotics and antiseptics, or made any significant advancement on their own in the last millennia?
Look at Detroit over the last 50 years? looks like a great place huh? Maybe examine South Africa after 15-20 years of Nelson Mandela and the ANC vs before he took over?
Im not sure what Hopkins meant by his comment, because they holy grail of black boxers, Cassius Clay, grew up in a suburb. He wasnt the son of a sharecropper like Frazier, or from the streets like Hopkins or a lot of other boxers, or even had to grow up under the iron curtain like a lot of the Eastern Bloc fighters we have today.
Its an accusation that places the burden of proof on the accused. PED is a pretty loose term, look at some of the weight loss, fat burners, natural test boosters, etc you can buy, most have labels that state "hey if you get tested for PEDs this might not be the best thing to take" or that it could provide a "false positive". Most of these dumbasses dont even realize that you cant just take a "PED" and be a badass, you still have to work hard or harder than everyone else because some of the side effects can be pretty bad. ANyone notice that the NFL has caught guys by testing for the ancillary drugs or drugs guys take post cycle? Some of these PEDs can be out of a guys system in 24-48 hours, some are detectable by blood test for up to 2 years.
Since Floyd has been so staunch about throwing accusations at Pac i think everytime Floyd brings OST up Pac should demand Floyd be tested for jenkem. Cause Mayweather has done some dumb **** and if he were on the jenkems it might explain it.
Adamek would smoke Haye at HW or Cruiser. Adamek can take Hayes punch, the reverse does not apply. Adamek by one right hand in the middle rounds or Haye tires from the body work, cites injury, and reites between the later rounds.
Only chance i give Haye is "stoppage" with an English ref if their feet get tangled or some ****, or TKO by cuts or swelling.
chagaev was number 3 when wlad fought him
right, and Vitali was #2. IIRC the ring made an exception because 1 and 2 were borthers and there was no way they would ever fight.
Adamek had problems with Grant's reach advantage, and Grant has power that Ruiz never had. The size issue wouldn't be a problem with Haye.
But I'm willing to be wrong -- however, I don't think Haye wants a fight with Adamek.
I doubt he does, even though the fight would be huge at the Prudential center or in the UK. Adamek is one tough fukcer. I think he fought one of the briggs fights when h is nose was broken before the fight. Adamek could take Hayes punches i dont think the reverse applies. I wouldnt see it going much different than Adamek-Banks.
I honestly hope Froch hits ward so hard he uncrosses his lazy ass eye in a Martinez/Williams II style knockout. In reality though it'll probably an ugly ass fight with rounds tought to score
i watched the fight with no sound the first time and thought he had deducted Khan for using forearms or elbows which seemed legit. It wasnt until i turned it up a little and heard Max Kellerman crying that i found out it was for pushing(khan also did a lot of this and was rightly deducted).
Cause when they put together the tournament Bute was in contract with HBO
That sounds right. IIRC he KOed Andrade and Miranda around that time then they dropped him cause he wasnt an Al Haymon fighter.
RIP Champ. Joe probably my favorite fighter of that era. dude was relentless and fought most of his career with one eye.
His left hook that knocked Clay down in theor first fight is still one of my favorite punches of all time.
Congrats to Peterson. I thought the point deductions were justified, Khan was using his elbows and forearms way too much. I'm no fan of Peterson but I have to say that he impressed me with how he rolled a lot of Khans punches and kept up his attack.
I understand HBO feels the need to cry for a GBP fighter kind of like espn does for the sec in college football but the Kellerman and Merchant were embarrassing last night. About the only thing worse was Khan whining about DC and how he didn't get his way
Id say more like Italy
You think Haye would fall down like he had been shot and hold his leg praying for referee to call a foul even though he hadnt been touched? Cause thats what Italian soccer players do. In boxing, i think he would be accused of taking a dive for this behavior.
Either way Adamek- Haye would be a good fight at cruiser or HW. Adamek would knock him out but i think the fight would be good.
There was very little poverty in the USSR, most of it was extreme crapitali$t western propaganda.
Contrast that to 75% of detroit, NYC, miami, LA where they live in dirt poor conditions to this very day and have 0 chance to rise above the poverty line because of the pyramid scheme that is western crapitali$sm
A little lesson for you. You name cities Detroit, Miami, LA, and NYC where people live dirt poor. You do realize these cities and the counties they reside are some of the most leftist/socialist places in the USA right?we wont delve into the demographic causes that are the cancers that eat those citites away. The policies these places have adapted are about as close to the ol USSR you will get here. and the poverty line in the USA is much different than anywhere else on the planet. Most "poor" in the US have at least 1 car, cable, an xbox or ps3, cell phone, and several other things that actual poor people in other parts of the world could never dream of having.
That being said. i hope its a good fight, these are two of my favorite fighters. I dont care who wins I just want the fight to be good.
Froch will be in the US at least 21 days before the fight. I think he said something about thats how long it would take to adjust. IIRC in one of the fight camp episodes he thought Andre Dirrell, a "down low", had disrespected him by arriving in the UK only a few days before he tried to hug Froch for 36 minutes.