"If Soviet boxers could turn pro in the 70s, they would have been champions"

Treated like a celebrity in the USSR? Now i've heard everything. I guess you like seeing guys that never had legit training or proper diet get beat on, it must satisfy you seeing a white man lose. Silly racist. Why don't you refute what I've stated than? Here is a short biography of Vadim Yemelyanov. Sure doesn't sound like he had no training and was starving to death in poverty, does it? Vadim Yemelyanov took up boxing while serving in the Soviet Navy in the Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) Region. Yemelyanov never won a Soviet title, taking silver in 1967 and bronzes in 1961 and 1965, but was successful in all three international tournaments in which he competed. In 1963 he won the European Cup and also the World Army Championships and at the 1964 Olympics he took bronze, losing his semi-final match to the eventual gold medal winner, American Joe Frazier. In all, Yemelyanov fought 158 bouts during his boxing career, winning 141 of them. A career military man, Yemelyanov was stationed at Severomorsk, near Murmansk, where he served in the Soviet Northern Fleet and also worked as a boxing coach. Since 1985 a memorial tournament in boxing named after Yemelyanov has been held annually in Severomorsk.

Treated like a celebrity in the USSR? Now i've heard everything. I guess you like seeing guys that never had legit training or proper diet get beat on, it must satisfy you seeing a white man lose. Silly racist.

lol 2 amateur fights don't mean anything a 70's soviet boxer would have almost no legit training and a terrible diet because of the poverty. They probably couldn't even afford a ring to spar in. Actually back than the Soviets were like professionals. Grown men in their physical primes versus teenagers. And like the Cubans, because they were representatives of their country they were given housing, training with the best trainers their country had and the best food. Like all athletes from communist countries who wouldn't let their athletes go pro, they were treated like celebrities.

You're comparing little nonathletic Chinese men to eastern european men 5'11 joe frazier would have been smashed in the 1st round. Foreman would last a few rounds before he gets TKO'd Thats some silly racist bull****. Not to mention there are a lot of Chinese men that are very large. They have an outrageously high population, and even if hypothetically they werent dominating HW, theyd be dominating all the other weight classes(in my impossible scenario).

You're comparing little nonathletic Chinese men to eastern european men 5'11 joe frazier would have been smashed in the 1st round. Foreman would last a few rounds before he gets TKO'd

You think boxing was high on the priorities list for the USSR? I dont know nor care. I could just as easily say "If China decided to force every one of its citizens to take up boxing, they would be dominating boxing." same ****. Its all hypothetical and bull****. No Soviet boxers actually existed, as in real life, that could have beaten Foreman and Frazier.

Ok, because the Soviets started putting more emphasis on boxing later, they were doing better. I have no issue with that. But no Soviet boxers existed in the 70s that could have beaten Frazier and Foreman. And if there were, Id like to hear them named. Otherwise its hypotethical imaginary BS, just like the dumb 'all the American HWs are in football/basketball" excuse. You think boxing was high on the priorities list for the USSR?

You need to understand that the Soviet system was very political, Russians were often given favor over Ukranians, Uzbeks, Kazahks etc. If you notice in the 1996 olympics you started seeing these for USSR countries doing very well in boxing, Ukranians and Kazahks in particular. People make the claim they would have done well because immediatly following the 96 games the eatern bloc fighters started to make a lot of noise in pro boxing. Ok, because the Soviets started putting more emphasis on boxing later, they were doing better. I have no issue with that. But no Soviet boxers existed in the 70s that could have beaten Frazier and Foreman. And if there were, Id like to hear them named. Otherwise its hypotethical imaginary BS, just like the dumb 'all the American HWs are in football/basketball" excuse.

lol 2 amateur fights don't mean anything a 70's soviet boxer would have almost no legit training and a terrible diet because of the poverty. They probably couldn't even afford a ring to spar in.

Sometimes I hear this statement, and its very false. I just want to disprove it. This is a previous post by me. Teenage George Foreman taking on the best Soviet HW in the world, Ionas Chapulis. Joe Frazier taking on the best Soviet HW in the world, Vadim Yemelyanov. He broke his thumb halfway through this fight. Please, please people. Stop with these incorrect statements. The best Soviet HWs did fight guys like Foreman and Frazier, and when Frazier and Foreman were still pre-prime. You can give credit to Wladimir and Vitali without trying to downplay greats of the past. You need to understand that the Soviet system was very political, Russians were often given favor over Ukranians, Uzbeks, Kazahks etc. If you notice in the 1996 olympics you started seeing these for USSR countries doing very well in boxing, Ukranians and Kazahks in particular. People make the claim they would have done well because immediatly following the 96 games the eatern bloc fighters started to make a lot of noise in pro boxing.

If there was money to be made in boxing more soviet athletes would have become boxers. actually no...they didnt become boxers because it would have been illegal to do so under the soviet system

If there was money to be made in boxing more soviet athletes would have become boxers. thats as silly and irrelevant a statement as "All the American HWs are in football and basketball". Both are just petty excuses. Those hypothetical fighters dont/didnt exist.

Those two videos of just TWO fights don't really prove anything at all. Being an American doesn't make a person better. Believing it does is very silly. :nonono: I thought I was on ignore, Tunney. What happened? and I never said that being American makes you better or worse. Stop with your make believe bull****. People like you say this sort of thing, and yet dont have any names of Soviet boxers that could have done well. its all imaginary.

if if was a fif i'd be drunk right now

2 videos prove NOTHING.. the fact of the matter is if soviet boxer were allowed to turn pro in the 70s we don't know what would happen Those were the best Soviet HWs in the world at the time. If you would like to actually name real USSR boxers that could have become champions during the 70s, I would love to hear them. for example, Piotr Zaev was a very good USSR boxer in the 1980s. I would have liked to see how he did had he turned pro. Aleksandr Miroshnichenko was also quite good, he did well in the 1988 Olympics.

Even though boxing isn't what it used to be these videos make me really wonder how the f we don't have promising heavyweights. Some of the very best fighters ever were American heavyweights and right now there are none. It's kind of sad to think about. lots of reasons but one that i noticed.... heavys are fat today... i think they think that they need to be big like the klits... or they arent disciplined enough... if criss areola was 215-220 he would be much better. pluss the majority of heavys are playing football.

Well if Cuban boxers were allowed to turn pro, they'd probably have a richer professional history than PR & Mexico