I mean, I understand Wilder's shown he's basically a snowball's chance, but, I don't think Whyte can even pressure Fury or make Fury feel like he needs to be in high gear. It'd be a boring fight.
I don't give a **** if Whyte "earned" his shot or not.
Best reply in the thread. However, you've got to give Wilder better than a snowballs chance considering he dropped Fury twice, and almost stretched him in the first fight.
I wouldn't bet the farm on Fury in the 3rd fight....just saying.
Yeah I mean Crawford-Thurman is must watch but Thurman is YEARS removed from prime. And I'm not convinced his "prime" was ever all that impressive.
Crawford has only had 1 PPV to my knowledge (Khan) but if it was two it was also (Postol). Neither Khan (in 2019) nor Postol (ever) are remotely comparable to Manny. So Keiths PPV success had a LOT to do with Manny imho, but Keith is a good opponent for anyone in terms of viewership.
Crawford and Top Rank need to fork out some $$ if they want Terrence to be the star he could be (skillwise). Otherwise he'll be an underperformer just like Bradley.
Top rank paid khan 7 million for a fight that did 100K. If you believe Thurman is past prime, what the hell is Khan?
The bottom line is apparently Top Rank is eager to pay "name" fighters well above market value, if they 100% believe Bud wins the fight. For whatever reason, guys that are more relevant than Khan, if they have a chance to beat Crawford, are continously "pricing themselves out." :lol1:
Errol Spence called it out before, it's all smoke and mirrors what they're doing in Camp Crawford and Top Rank.
Now wilder is demanding what Joshua should have if a meat h takes place
Seriously, wilder and his fan base are crack heads
Imagine if maidana demanded Floyd take 2m in a rematch if he wins Lol
More ways for wilder to duck and his fans to make excuses
Stupid comment. Didn't Hearn say they are doing this for Parker? Why WOULDN'T Wilder expect the same thing?
^ Fanboy right here.
Brook was doing well early on in the fight and actually caught Spence with a few shot that visibly hurt him (watch the fight again). He did gas and that was partly due to Spence hitting him with body shots but also because Brook doesnt have the best stamina to begin with. He often takes rounds off.
Anyway i'm not trying to turn this into a Spence vs Brook or Spence bashing post. He was the deserved winner in that fight and up until now has done everything he has needed. My point regarding question marks on his punch durability and chin still stands.
What fight were you watching? Did he get caught clean? Yes.
Name a round where he was hurt though.
Went back and watch fight. I see where you are coming from. Spence, like Crawford, is a great fighter but his fans make him out to be invincible. If he loses, Spence will be seen as one of the most overrated fighters in the sport
Every top fighter is considered "overrated" by a segment of "fans" that don't like said fighter, and as long as they win, that segment grumbles to themselves...it's only when the fighter loses, that you hear the "overrated" chants.
Perhaps that is why many fighters avoid tough fights nowadays for fear of being called "overrated" once they lose. The thing about spence though, it seems he wants the best guys at ww...like him or not, you've got to respect that from fighters that have that mentality in today's boxing world.
Lara beat Hurd on my card. Lost 7-5 to Canelo on my card. And then you list that he beat Paul Williams and try to explain that away lol. Point being he has been in with and been competitive with much better fighters than Jermell.
It took Charlo 22 rounds or so to stop Tony Harrison dude. Slow the hype train down before you get hurt lol. Jermell is dangerous and I like his swarming style, but he struggles to win rounds against ANYONE, even C level guys, much less an A level boxer like Lara.
All someone needs to be is a little bit better/more durable than Tony Harrison or Rosario and they beat him, right?
It doesn't matter if you think Lara beat Hurd. The fact is, he had to get off his ass, en route to a loss. Then turns around and almost lost to Castano his very next fight.
The point is, he's not the same fighter anymore. I brought up the Paul Williams fight to point out that's probably his best win (and that was 9 years ago!). His Canelo fight was 6 years ago. A few years back, if you want to say you'd favor Lara over Charlo, I'd actually agree. But to say he still beats him now, when he's basically lost 2 of his last 3 fights, and got dropped and hurt by a guy who doesn't hit as hard as Jermell is incredibly biased and short sighted. Judging by your recent posts, it's clear you don't like the Charlos, but to say "slow down the hype train" when the guy is a belt away from being undisputed is just dumb. Sorry.
Well lets put it this way he beat the best at 154 and no one at 160 or 168 beats him but 175 Beterbiev knocks him out
I disagree. He has fought neither Charlo bro, or Andrade...at 168, I'd love to see him against Plant or Benavidez. It's not enough to say he beats all these guys, but doesn't have to fight them.
Undisputed I say because of having 4 belts the fighter can choose the weakest champ. Take a look at Broner he fought Paulie for his 4th division belt. Roy Jones fought John Ruiz for christ sake
This. Canelo is a multi-division champ despite avoiding the best at each division. Much more impressive to win all the belts, because more than likely you had to go through a p4p fighter or 2 to get there.
I mean...I don't think his competition level has been bad, but they haven't been great either. Kind of unproven guys or average guys. Lara may be too old now, you may be right. But I hope we see it. Jermell struggles to win rounds boxing, so he better get the KO vs Lara (and a lot of other guys).
Lol besides Paul Williams who had already lost to Quintana and been knocked out by Martinez, what great fighters has Lara beaten?
He's a skilled fighter, but you can't say Jermell hasn't beaten anyone, and insinuate Lara has...He's recently lost to Hurd, and should've lost to Castano. Charlo stops Lara at this point.
Interesting; spence beating brook was good win however most people predicted spence to beat him and considering brook was knocked out and had his eye socket shattered by GGG before that fight.
Leading up to the fight, the sports books were all over the place. I think Spence did end up going into the fight as a slight favorite.
But if I remember correctly, the majority of UK fans on here at least, had Spence tabbed as the next "Jeff Lacy." Even many Americans favored Brook, as Spence was seen as too inexperienced.
Nevertheless I have it as one of the biggest wins in the last 5 years because Errol won his first title, and had to travel overseas to Brook's backyard to do so. Even though Brook was coming off the loss at MW, many fans still had him as the #1 WW in the world.
Spence-Crawford easily. I can't believe this is a serious question. Broner did 400K with Manny Paquiao 2 years ago. Are we insinuating Garcia is a bigger star than Paquiao?
Spence consistently does 300-350K against the likes of Porter, Mikey Garcia, and Danny Garcia, in fights he's heavily favored, and not to mention just outsold Canelo on ppv.
So how much would he be guaranteed in a Spence fight?
$3 million? Go get your money Keith!
Spence is running out of dance partners so a fight with Thurman
might be a possibility.
It'll probably be Thurman, Ugas, or his IBF mandatory next. Depends how the Paquiao saga shakes up.
Makes perfect sense...Teo was a champion too, so he should've been entitled to a rematch clause. If there wasn't one in there, it's because the A-side didn't want it, because he didn't think he needed it.
There is no fighter with less than 20 fights who has more accomplishments than Crawford GTFOH!
In fact there is no active fighter besides Manny with more accomplishments than Crawford.
Unified champion at 135
Undisputed champion at 140.
Champion at 147 and he beat the man who beat the man too.
No one has accomplished more than that that isn't named Manny Pacquiao.
People criticise his resume but those guys he beat at 140 were undefeated or unified champions at the time.
Nobody was calling those fights cherry picks when they happened.
It's like when people try to sell Trout short as an opponent, people forget that when Canelo beat him he was undefeated and had just beaten and schooled the man at 154 at the time.
Crawford has accomplished more than your favorite guy if your favorite guy ain't Manny.
All that said, there is not 1 hall of famer or p4p fighter for that matter on the dudes resume. Nobody can knock his accomplishments, but I get the criticisms of who he had to go through to get those accomplishments.
Even the biggest Bud nuthuggers know deep down inside the dude's resume is paper thin.
Spence said he would need a 60-40 split. If Bud accepted that then a brand new road block would come up from Spence.
Sounds like I'm going in on him, I'm actually a fan of Spence, but it really is just how it looks and how it sounds.
He just don't want that smoke at all.
Spoken like a true casual who only watches boxing when a big fight is coming up, or when you get a notification on your phone...
Even worse, don't claim to be a fan of a fighter, as if it adds credibility to your ignorant view points.
Spence was asked whether he'd want 60-40, and he responded, "based on the numbers, yeah." Crawford has done 2 ppvs which COMBINED, haven't equaled HALF of one of Spence's. Anybody who argues that is a complete idiot.
But what Spence also said, that nobody mentions, is that it's about "sitting down at the table and negotiating."
I've only heard one dude in the last week say the fight isn't happening, and it wasn't Errol. Direct your misinformation somewhere else.
Naw, man. Gonna keep hammering this.
I'm seeing too many posters claiming that Spence is ducking Crawford. So let's get the actual numbers out there and let them spread far and wide.
60/40 is being generous to Terence, based on the numbers.
But the idiot posters you're talking about also refuse to acknowledge Spence saying it's about sitting down at the table negotiating. Bud meanwhile just says **** the fight if it ain't 60/40 in his favor! :lol1:
He also said this AFTER his own promoter came out and said he's lost millions on him! :lol1:
I say let it go, because the people you're trying to make sense to, have none.
Misinformation? What misinformation? I've given my OPINION and my opinion is Spence doesn't want to fight Crawford and if Crawford accepted 60/40 that would not get Spence in the ring. Spence and master Al know Crawford beats him and takes his belts, IN MY OPINION.
Ok, your opinion. Got it. Why don't you call Massa Bob and Terence, and tell them to accept the 60/40 then, so your opinion can be validated? :dunno:
Unlike you, I'm talking facts though. One dude said he'd want 60/40 based on the numbers, but he's willing to negotiate. The other dude says he wants 60/40 his way, or the fight ain't happening.
And IN YOUR OPINION, the first guy's ducking...got it. Sensible guy.
Moving right along....
Than Terence "Bud" Crawford.
Why on earth would he accept a 50/50 split?
Bro, let it go. Bud fans and Spence haters won't accept the truth if it smacked them upside the head.
still waving the pbc flag even though its all but nonexistent and they admitted they wouldn't do good fights? just going to pretend showtime and pbc are the same now? remember free boxing? what happened? pretty sure we had showtime before the pbc came along.
Showtime...PBC... Espinosa....Al Haymon...same...different.
Whatever. Is that what you got from the point of the thread?
I don't wave any flag, and I don't care WHO puts out good fights. I will support whoever. It's clear the best fights have been on Showtime, and involving PBC fighters. If HBO put on better cards, instead of the nonsense they've had the past 2 weeks, then I'd subscribe. Until then, I'll wait for GoT.
personally I think GGG need not try saunders, hes just got one belt, why bother. G is the man at MW. And at MW, that man is the G.
Lol. He beats Saunders, he's the undisputed champion, which is the lie he told everybody he was aiming to be.
Don't get your hopes up
Doubt that
I seriously doubt it
It may or may not get made for whatever reason. Personally, I don't see this card being regular Showtime, if it is signed.
The fight makes sense. Barbershop is a credible dude.