Ok Golovkin now fight Saunders please. Or Derevyanchenko. Or Charlo.

Hopkins will go down as the better fighter simply because he has the record at middleweight and then went up in weight and won more titles and faced tougher competition. Who are GGG top 5 wins? Daniel Jacobs? Kell Brook? Saul Alvarez? Who else Hopkins has: Felix Trinidad Oscar De La Hoya Antonio Tarver Ronald Wright Kelly Pavlik Take out Oscar,,, Add pascal

The fight was offered on more than one occasion. GGG already talked about moving up for a big fight so that wouldn't be an issue. They never even wanted it to begin with. Ward had no issue making a fight with Kovalev so I doubt the GGG fight would have been an issue. It would have done better numbers on PPV for both of them. The Kovalev fight was at 175.

That has been debunked so many times, so here are some key pointers. -50/50 split -Oakland -No catchweight -Ward needed tune-up fights The fight was offered on more than one occasion. GGG already talked about moving up for a big fight so that wouldn't be an issue. They never even wanted it to begin with. Ward had no issue making a fight with Kovalev so I doubt the GGG fight would have been an issue. It would have done better numbers on PPV for both of them.

Of course he has a loss that is what happens when you face elite fighters. Hopkins at least moved up in weight to face the best available competition even when past his prime. GGG wasn't even to go up 1 weight class to face Ward when it would have been for the #1 P4P spot. You can't compare that guy to B Hop. That has been debunked so many times, so here are some key pointers. -50/50 split -Oakland -No catchweight -Ward needed tune-up fights

So Hopkins has -A Welterweight - A welterweight/JMW who lost to Felix Sturm in the eyes of everyone. -A non-middleweight fight -A 36 year old at LHW -A loss. So a welterweight? WOOOOOOOOW Of course he has a loss that is what happens when you face elite fighters. Hopkins at least moved up in weight to face the best available competition even when past his prime. GGG wasn't even to go up 1 weight class to face Ward when it would have been for the #1 P4P spot. You can't compare that guy to B Hop.

He has fought how many fights above the 154 limit? yeh ok buts marginal difference.

paf light middle, middle. everyone accepts that canelo has MW pedigree and hes still LM WW was an outstanding one who grew heavier as he got older, I expect u ignore human factor like that. He has fought how many fights above the 154 limit?

So somewhere I have never been? It is pretty close for Wright then. Out of 51 matches only 5 of them were above 154 pounds. His 3rd fight, weighing in at 158¾ The fight against Stokes, weighing in at 155 Weighing in at 157 against Orozco and Sena And finally his fight in 1995 where he weighed in at 158¾ against Leon Cessiron, for Wright's 29th pro fight. Then 22 fights later, all at 154, he weighed in at 160. From that point on, including that fight, he had 6 fights at MW. So out of 58 fights, he had 11 fights at MW, around 19%. He had double that at the 154 limit, in a row. paf light middle, middle. everyone accepts that canelo has MW pedigree and hes still LM WW was an outstanding one who grew heavier as he got older, I expect u ignore human factor like that.

like you originate from ESB. obv they were both mw. So somewhere I have never been? It is pretty close for Wright then. Out of 51 matches only 5 of them were above 154 pounds. His 3rd fight, weighing in at 158¾ The fight against Stokes, weighing in at 155 Weighing in at 157 against Orozco and Sena And finally his fight in 1995 where he weighed in at 158¾ against Leon Cessiron, for Wright's 29th pro fight. Then 22 fights later, all at 154, he weighed in at 160. From that point on, including that fight, he had 6 fights at MW. So out of 58 fights, he had 11 fights at MW, around 19%. He had double that at the 154 limit, in a row.

What do you mean originate from there?like you originate from ESB. obv they were both mw.

they both originated from there, so it wasnt like he was picking on someone naturally smaller than himself. What do you mean originate from there?

5 total fights. 1 loss to Hopkins. 1 more loss. 3 fights left. 80%. 3 out of 4 is not bad. my bad though, 75%, np. Not when Hopkins and Wright fought. He was not a MW. At 170 you cannot be a middleweight. they both originated from there, so it wasnt like he was picking on someone naturally smaller than himself. Tell me again what weight was the fight at? you need to ask that question to the person who brought up pavlik, not me. i had no wish to use him, your friend that you are defending raised LHW Pavlik, so you must defer to your friend or tell him hes wrong to use him. off you go to smack your friends bottom.

SO he 5 fights and only 1 loss outside hopkins (cant include hopkins as you are trying to prove against hopkins, so he dont count). 80% wins outside hopkins is good, lots of champs have resumes like that. 5 total fights. 1 loss to Hopkins. 1 more loss. 3 fights left. 80%. Okay, I think you need to finish school first. contentious win, and this is an ATG you are talking about Everyone thinks that ODLH lost, even ODLH hopkins was not only much older, but a MW too. you have zero case ehre, you've only helped my argument. Not when Hopkins and Wright fought. He was not a MW. At 170 you cannot be a middleweight. Pavlik is your best argument, good but overrated, and prone to self destruction, its quite possible he was on the back on brink of alcoholism when hopkins faced him. Tell me again what weight was the fight at?

At the time of the fight Trinidad had 1 fight at MW He had 5 in total, lost 2 of them. so he had a title. that means hes above a top contender at MW. SO he 5 fights and only 1 loss outside hopkins (cant include hopkins as you are trying to prove against hopkins, so he dont count). 80% wins outside hopkins is good, lots of champs have resumes like that. OLDH's only fight before Hopkins above 154 was against Sturm, which he lost. None since contentious win, and this is an ATG you are talking about The Ronald Wright was at LHW, poor Hopkins needed to bring an OLD MW up 10 pounds. hopkins was not only much older, but a MW too. you have zero case ehre, you've only helped my argument. Pavlik is your best argument, good but overrated, and prone to self destruction, its quite possible he was on the back on brink of alcoholism when hopkins faced him.

they were real MWs. people put on weight as they get older, to deny this isnt good. At the time of the fight Trinidad had 1 fight at MW He had 5 in total, lost 2 of them. OLDH's only fight before Hopkins above 154 was against Sturm, which he lost. None since The Tarver fight was at LHW. The Ronald Wright was at LHW, poor Hopkins needed to bring an OLD MW up 10 pounds. I misremembered the Pavlik fight, but see above.

So Hopkins has -A Welterweight - A welterweight/JMW who lost to Felix Sturm in the eyes of everyone. -A non-middleweight fight -A 36 year old at LHW -A loss. So a welterweight? WOOOOOOOOW they were real MWs. people put on weight as they get older, to deny this isnt good.

It's not enough for somebody who's goal was to have all the MW belts.... should be enough for anyone.

:lol1: Remembered more than Hopkins, that's rich :lol1:

Hopkins will go down as the better fighter simply because he has the record at middleweight and then went up in weight and won more titles and faced tougher competition. Who are GGG top 5 wins? Daniel Jacobs? Kell Brook? Saul Alvarez? Who else Hopkins has: Felix Trinidad Oscar De La Hoya Antonio Tarver Ronald Wright Kelly Pavlik So Hopkins has -A Welterweight - A welterweight/JMW who lost to Felix Sturm in the eyes of everyone. -A non-middleweight fight -A 36 year old at LHW -A loss. So a welterweight? WOOOOOOOOW

It's up to his 'fans' to vote with their wallet and stop paying for fights that aren't what boxing is about; the best fighting the best. Saunders Charlo Canelo II Andrade Derevyanchenko Jacobs II These are the best fighters not named GGG fighting at MW currently, and they all have a chance at beating him.