Spence has more belts, better opponents, and better PPV #'s

The money has less to do with greatness. The money has to do with revenue & Errol has produced more revenue & Bud's promoter is publicly saying he's losing money on him. That's makes this a clear edge for Errol in the cut to most reasonable folks looking at this situation I'd argue. But like I said I get both sides playing any & every angle in public & private to maximize their money even to the point of hyping this rivalry with all this contract stuff on Twitter that's never going to be agreed to in public. Yeah, I agree

Porter is not a big draw. I don't get how people think he was some huge help to Spence in getting more PPV sales. That aside, Porter and Danny Garcia have been willing to fight Crawford. So Crawford has had the opportunity to prove that he can draw the same or better against those guys...but he has chosen to fight weaker foes every single time. Should, Bud vs Porter would do better than Bud vs Postiff? Isn'it? That's all I meant. Porter not a big draw but he's an household name.

Spence built up his drawing power from Mikey. He became a PPV draw after that. Porter isn’t a draw but he’s a familiar face with a reputation of being in competitive fights plus he’s a fellow American who speak fluent English and promote. Perfect opponent for Spence to rise his PPV popularity. Now, he has another familiar face in Danny Garcia - a more PPV material than Porter himself. Spence has perfect line of opponents to build up his starpower. I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes on Thurman next for a way higher PPV ratings than his previous ones. Crawford has poor match-makings in terms of building a PPV star. But if Crawford was in the same place as Spence, he would have been enjoying the same PPV trends and success. Crawford has had a chance to fight Porter and Danny Garcia too. But he chooses to fight Kell Brook types instead. The fact remains that Errol can back up his A-side claims with actual numbers. Crawford can't.

Porter is not a big draw. I don't get how people think he was some huge help to Spence in getting more PPV sales. That aside, Porter and Danny Garcia have been willing to fight Crawford. So Crawford has had the opportunity to prove that he can draw the same or better against those guys...but he has chosen to fight weaker foes every single time. Spence built up his drawing power from Mikey. He became a PPV draw after that. Porter isn’t a draw but he’s a familiar face with a reputation of being in competitive fights plus he’s a fellow American who speak fluent English and promote. Perfect opponent for Spence to rise his PPV popularity. Now, he has another familiar face in Danny Garcia - a more PPV material than Porter himself. Spence has perfect line of opponents to build up his starpower. I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes on Thurman next for a way higher PPV ratings than his previous ones. Crawford has poor match-makings in terms of building a PPV star. But if Crawford was in the same place as Spence, he would have been enjoying the same PPV trends and success.

Not worried about split that can be worked out! Hopefully Bud doesn't re-sign with Top Rank and indeed become a Free Agent, if that happens then the fight gets Made much easier If I'm Bud I wouldn't even want to do a Spence Jr or Pacquiao fight while Under contract with Arum. Instead do it After your deal up and make those fighter WITHOUT a Promoter taking a big chunk of your money :dunno: If you're Arum, contact Haymon sell off the remainder of Bud Contract, cut your Losses and Move On if he is truly losing money on him

None of the PBC fans were saying this about AJ when he held more belts, earned 10x more than Wilder, and fought better opposition. He also packed stadiums with nearly 10x as many fans. Had over thirty product endorsements too. You all thought Wilder deserved 50% or even 40%. Imo Bud should concede with a 40-60 split but very well said here in terms of NSB’s hypocrisy when it comes to this

Naw, man. Gonna keep hammering this. I'm seeing too many posters claiming that Spence is ducking Crawford. So let's get the actual numbers out there and let them spread far and wide. 60/40 is being generous to Terence, based on the numbers. But the idiot posters you're talking about also refuse to acknowledge Spence saying it's about sitting down at the table negotiating. Bud meanwhile just says **** the fight if it ain't 60/40 in his favor! :lol1: He also said this AFTER his own promoter came out and said he's lost millions on him! :lol1: I say let it go, because the people you're trying to make sense to, have none.

Bro, let it go. Bud fans and Spence haters won't accept the truth if it smacked them upside the head. Naw, man. Gonna keep hammering this. I'm seeing too many posters claiming that Spence is ducking Crawford. So let's get the actual numbers out there and let them spread far and wide.

Than Terence "Bud" Crawford. Why on earth would he accept a 50/50 split? Bro, let it go. Bud fans and Spence haters won't accept the truth if it smacked them upside the head.

How much would do Spence on PPV vs Postal and Khan? Porter and Garcia are bigger names... So that's not a fair point. Porter is not a big draw. I don't get how people think he was some huge help to Spence in getting more PPV sales. That aside, Porter and Danny Garcia have been willing to fight Crawford. So Crawford has had the opportunity to prove that he can draw the same or better against those guys...but he has chosen to fight weaker foes every single time.

Should be 50/50 if Crawford build his 147 resume but right now Spence should be Aside

How much would do Spence on PPV vs Postal and Khan? Porter and Garcia are bigger names... So that's not a fair point. Those are just facts. Not a fair point? Arum could have put Crawford vs Porter on PPV but he said no one knows who Porter is and the PPV would tank. LIS, Porter was coming off doing a horrendous gate vs Ugas in California and the very next fight against Spence in the same state/area, he does a 2.3M gate. Put it this way, do I think Crawford vs Porter does the same type of gate and PPV buys as Spence vs Porter? No, I do not.

Crawford vs Postal - ~50,000 Crawford vs Khan - 125-150,000 Spence vs Garcia - 330,000-350,000 Spence vs Porter - 275,000-300,000 Crawford vs Khan gate was around 1.5M. His gate vs Horn was over 900,000 but less than a million. Spence vs Garcia gate was over 4M, but less than 5M. I posted it here but can't recall off the top of my head. Spence vs Porter gate was 2.3M. Spence deserves the bigger share but if Crawford gets with Haymon, they probably get it to 50/50 or close to it. How much would do Spence on PPV vs Postal and Khan? Porter and Garcia are bigger names... So that's not a fair point.

I agree. That said I get Bud trying to get more. Thats how it works. People get too into this sh^t when its all a negotiation publicly that we see & privately that we don't see & the goal is to get as good of an offer as you can get &/or give as lil as you got to. It's true if we act like Bud always fought in the same division. Bud has less names and quality than Spence, but fought through 3 divisions. I get that 135 and 140 were kinda weak but still, he did it. So overall, his resume is not worst than Spence. It's never easy to move up, fight in a third division, see Loma, Bud is doing it easy because he has such an "Anderson Silva like" athletic frame, so props to Bud. People underestimating a bit the level of guys like mean machine, Benav, Horn, that's not so bad, they would not be ridiculous against the Brooks, Porters of the world. At this point this fight should be 50/50 IMO. Both are great fighters, what will separate them from each other will be who will win their fight.

FACT: if Spence demands 60%... and that demand kills the fight... then, Spence did not want to face Terrence Crawford same for Crawford

Than Terence "Bud" Crawford. Why on earth would he accept a 50/50 split? Honestly. Who cares about these guys. What about them Raiders.

This where things get skewed, Porter Garcia are a level up on Khan Postal much better matchups of known fighters, I think if you had TC vs those and Errol vs Postal Khan then the numbers would be reversed. I believe the matchup is what brings the numbers, not one guy unless the opponent is way below him and that also has to be taken into account, these might have the titles but they not established superstars. Is Porter a level up on Khan? Just the fight before Spence, he did a terrible gate in California and then he fights Spence and the gate is 2.3M. And Crawford could have fought Porter on PPV but Arum has been on record saying it would completely tank on PPV and they would lose a lot of money. If Spence does over 250K buys vs DSG, you just can't ignore it any longer. Having bigger name opponents as we have seen over the years helps build the fighter and increases their fan base. This is all going to be a moot point anyways by end of next year when they face off.

Nothing accurate about your delusional bullsheeit. Whoever brings in more $ deserves more. Only dumbasses seem to not understand this fact. " more ".... of sweet fcuk all... does not make one a superstar FACT: neither of those guys are stars... so neither of them should be acting like one SAME... for Crawford fans who blurt out dopey excuses to protect their guy are the worst

So Spence is the A Side then. There’s no argument, the numbers are there clearly and will only get wider after Spence vs Danny which probably does around 300k This where things get skewed, Porter Garcia are a level up on Khan Postal much better matchups of known fighters, I think if you had TC vs those and Errol vs Postal Khan then the numbers would be reversed. I believe the matchup is what brings the numbers, not one guy unless the opponent is way below him and that also has to be taken into account, these might have the titles but they not established superstars.

So Spence is the A Side then. There’s no argument, the numbers are there clearly and will only get wider after Spence vs Danny which probably does around 300k Spence is doing better numbers at the gate and selling PPVs for sure. But again, these splits really only matter if you are dealing with PBC vs TR. If both are with the PBC, then Haymon will just get it 50/50 or close to it. If he can 300k buys against DSG, that would be huge. I think it does less than that in the range of 225-250k, but I guess 300k is possible.