That's what my fellow bikers from the south says man! Manny's on a rough ride with the Choingbians, a powerful political dynasty who are as wealthy as Manny i guess.
Yes man..Manny does'nt know shit about politics..he's a sure winner if he decided to run as a party list representative because he is famous and well loved all over the Philippines..However, it's a different ballgame when you're fighting it out one-on-one with a real politician who's been there since time immemorial..
I mean, who has he beat? Shot Morales and Barrera? Robbery win vs Marquez? Shot, weight drained Oscar? Shot + Overrated Hatton? Shot Cotto?
C'mon Freddy, can you PLEASE fight someone in their primes? Like Floyd or Mosley?
Now they're going after the flat-footed, glorified journeyman CLOTTEY....
Clottey, really? the guy who just lost to the guy you just demolished?
Could you please reconcile this (i.e shot etc..) with the allegation the PAC was on roids..Don't you think they are diametrically opposed with each other?
Thank you for the explanation Cpt. Redundancy. Call me crazy, but I believe Freddy started poking Manny in the butt after he got handled by out-of-prime Morales.
As far as using PEDS, it has nothing to do with his competition, it's just the supernatural growth Manny has exhibited that has people questioning.
People don't just jump 30lbs in a year.
Especially when it seems to be all muscle. How many fighters chins hold up, and their power increases, after jumping 7 weight-classes?
Thank you so much Major Confused..I thought PAC's PEDS use has nothing to do with competition and that "its just the supernatural growth Manny has exhibited that has people questioning"...
but in your last sentence you are referring to matters that are relevant in a competition like " power increases" and chins holding up..
Its either Pacs opponents were shot or Manny was on PEDS, correct?
There's already a meeting of the minds..The signature is aimed merely to fomalize it..Anything that has been agreed upon by the parties verbally is enforceable..
What in the ****? I read that three times and still don't know what you're talking about.
English mother****er, do you speak it?
Relax, all i am asking is that you were saying that he beat a shot morales, a not so good Diaz and Hatton, and the "not the same Cotto" prior to the Marg fight, NOW, my question is, are these reasons not diametrically opposed to your allegations that PAC was on PEDS? Got the message? In other words, if your saying all of these things, shot etc..the PEDS will no longer be relevant, am i right? Of course i speak English better than you do...
i meen we all know taking steroids wont teach u to fight ar hit a baseball
but if ur allready a really good trained athlete peds will make u a monster(pac lol,barry bonds,mcgwire. A rod)
For Pac, SPECULATION man, that's the word..until proven otherwise...presumption of innocense...
I agree. Lol. But they would attribute that to Pac being able to train harder because of EPO. Thus he keeps gaining skills and all.
But do you think that if you're a guy who trains so hard and has disciplined yourself for so long, (no vices, no alcohol, does not smoke) , you'd be that king to take in PEDs as well and ruin everything you've worked hard for?
PED users are usually people who are lazy and wants to go to shortcuts.
They're usually opposite of hard workers.
They are very wrong...They do not know that Pac is a Bisaya who are best known for their stamina, endurance, hardwork etc..lol..We have workers in our farm who are Bisaya and they work there for eight hours..And they still manage to play 2 more hours of basketball without let up lolololol
It's pure jealousy..
It is not THAT Pacquiao is winning that troubles people, pundits and fans alike. It is HOW he is winning. He seems to be getting more powerful, more resilient and has as much energy as every before at his peak. It is just very surprising that against such talented opposition (hatton excluded) that he is able to continue pushing the envelope of credibility and achievement. It is not impossible, but it is rather unlikely.
I thought, DIAZ was not good; that Dela Hoya was weight drained; that Cotto was not the same after the Margarito fight; I am confused...PEDS was linked to HOW he is winning only after Floyd Sr. accused him of using PEDS, is it not? those reasons earlier stated are diametrically opposed to using PEDS is it not?
Dude Doesn't matter Pacquiao would still be on steroids and you would still come with another explanation. Until he starts taking the test he's legacy is on hold. and yes like just like the other poster said boxing is a dirty sport and there are many different type of illegal shit out there that can help your performance. Look man you aint no expert either you just a Pac hugger and if you were a doctor you might be the one getting him the illegal shit.
Honestly, what made you think that Pac is on roids?Please explain with basis..or you're simply hating.
You guys keep bringing up ancient fights as if they have any relevance to what is going on today.
Back in the Henry Armstrong days, drug testing was not even an issue.
If anyone in those days questioned the ability of any of those fighters due to performance enhancement use, they likely did it in private and didn't bring it to light the way the drug testing issue is given so much attention to in these present days.
As for why nobody questioned Oscar for his past performances, that's because nobody brought up the issue then. Ironically, one of his opponents was caught cheating, as have other boxers who cheated the game and were caught.
Those who accuse Manny of being on or using PED's are expressing their own opinions why they feel he may be based on the information disseminated in the media and spread all across the internet.
If no other athlete had ever been caught using PED's and cheating the system BEFORE the Pac-May fight was even being considered, then I think the majority would agree that it would be unfair to accuse anybody of drug use.
The simple fact that drug use was prevalent before and is still prevalent to this day gives people the reason to believe that drug use by some of today's athletes is a very strong possibility by today's standards.
Is it right to straight out accuse him of using PED's? Not in my opinion, unless you have sufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to prove your case. Does anyone have the right to suspect he might be on something? Yes, everyone has that right based on their perception of the information they're being fed. Still, suspicion of wrongdoing is not sufficient to prove its validity.
Today, all boxers must undergo drug testing, not because they have been accused of any wrongdoing or are suspect of any wrongdoing, but because
the possibility of drug use is a reality and the best way to maintain the fairness and integrity of the sport is to mandate that all boxers submit to drug testing.
Let's not forget why the drug testing issue got out of hand in the first place. Floyd Sr.'s statements were at first being brushed off as some blabber from an ill informed trainer who many fans disliked in the first place. Just about every fan who didn't agree with him felt his comments were worthless because he couldn't prove it.
Lets not kid ourselves. We all know the reason the issue was blown out of proportion was due to the way Arum handled the negotiations, particularly
when bring up excuses as to why Manny couldn't adhere to the testing in the first place. The number of excuses from Team Pacquiao outweighed the acceptance and willingness to comply from Team Mayweather to submit to the exact same drug testing protocols that Manny would undergo.
Let's get it straight. The ridiculous excuses from Team Pacquiao via Arum's public statements and others are what raised the suspicion of the majority of the public fans and non-fans of the sport alike.
The excuses made during, not before, the negotiations are what raised all the questions which in turn prompted Team Pacquiao to file a lawsuit.
I agree with you that this should be made mandatory on all fighters. My only take is that this should not be asked by a fighter from his opponent but should be mandated by the governing body. Under the circumstances, i do not expect PAC to submit himself to a kind of test that was requested by no other than the people who are accusing him of using PEDS ahead of time. It's like saying "fight me, but prove me wrong"..BTW, why is it that Floyd's Team did not attempt to go to the proper authority to air this request for random blood testing to make it mandatory to all fighters?
Exactly. Those reasons before were actually somewhat a little legitimate and debatable. It also ring some tiny truth in it but right now? Come on, no evidence points out that Pacquiao uses PEDS so why do you people 'sincerely' believe so?
No evidence, nothing at all.
There are people here who are just blinded by hate..They want to force Pacquiao to undergo blood testing based solely on suspicions..Before he does that there me must be at least a trail that a reasonable mind might accept to support a conclusion that he is on it..in other words, there must be at least something "positive" in him before compelling him to prove that he is negative..NADA, so to speak..
i know they cannot learn to punch by taking peds hes already good do u not get that taking peds makes you better?
Oh, i thought people were saying that it's hard to beat Pac because of his awkward and blinding combinations from all angles..and this came from his previous worthy opponents...you think PEDS have something to do with it?
and also julval all those stuff u wrote about has nothing to do with the fact that manny just said no to random drug testing. the big deal isnt that floyd asked for it the big deal is that manny refused it when will u guys see that
Last time i checked, he agreed to random drug testing except that he did not agree to FLOYD's demand on the 14 day window period, is it right?
Because there is already an interview about Pacquiao in 2005 that the testing with injection has caused him to be not at a 100% mental state.
This testing is bogus, you wanna know why?
Mr. Schaeffer when he handled Mosley before and his opponent demand test as well considering that Mosley admitted he used PED, the demand was legit but the hypocrite Schaeffer said that they will only adhere to NSAC.
Now Pac's camp are also saying no to the demand but the difference is that he was never caught or admitted using PED in his previous fights. Now who do you think has more right to say no on this one, Mosley or Pac?
Which comes us to the question of, how sincere was the demand? Is it really for the good of the sport?
They only need to petition it with NSAC but no they keep on insisting it their own way which to some extent Pacman's camp agreed just to make the fight happen but Floyd's camp think they are above the sport and now most boxing experts and fans put the blame on them.
Just look at Floyd's camp now desperately finding a decent fighter to match the Pacquiao vs. Clottey fight. Coz if Pac vs Clottey will be successful in Dallas especially at that big venue and in PPV buys. Pacman's camp has more leverage in asking demands if Floyd vs Pacman will happen later this year.
for the good of the sport...this is their premise...For God's sake GBP, start with Mosley-Berto if it's for real!!!!!
Pacquiao wanted to cut off half his training camp without testing. Is that random?
24 days is about half the training camp.
Floyd was willing to do Olympic testing. Pacquiao was not.
Pac says he does not feel well if blood is taken from his body during that period so near the fight..That's Pac's body, it's not Floyd's, it's not yours and not mine either. So give it to him...in the first place this is Floyd's idea not his..Honestly, which fight would you like to watch as a true boxing fan, a fight where both fighters are 100% from day one of their training up to the date of the fight OR a fight where one of the fighters performance might be affected by a 3 to 4 days of non-training because of the demand of the other fighter?
No. That's bullshit and I'm not giving him sh!t. TWO WEEKS is "so near" a fight?
It makes no sense. Giving a teaspoon of blood has ZERO effect on your body. ZERO.
You guys claim that the reason Pac was able to take Miguel's punches was because he was mentally strong. Now you claim he is mentally weak and faints at the sight of blood.
Which is it?
you might be correct physically but not physiologically..it might be physiological to him...so how do we know?
He was terribly hurt by Miguel's punches..he was just pretending that he was not hurt..that's what he said upon arrival in the PI.
Mentally weak at the sight of blood..you might be mentally strong in one thing and terribly weak on another...
Floyd is not my hero, he's my favorite boxer. I enjoyed the way he fight, even though most people called him a boring fighter. It was a request because it was part of their contract, all they had to do was to agreeing/disagreeing in the beginning, which team Pac did agreed, then backed out days later. Welcome to BS, Pacfart. :fing26::fing26::fing26:
Part of their contract?? what are you talking about??? A contract means meeting of the minds between two parties on a certain subject matter..there is no contract yet to speak of..They are still on the negotiation stage..
When Pac won against Morales, some people said..Morales was shot, dehaydrated etc.
When Pac climbed up to 135 and fought Diaz, some people said Diaz was the worst lightweight, etc.
When Pac climbed up to 147 and fought ODLH, some people said ODLH was dehydrated,etc...
When Pac fought Hatton at 140, some people said Hatton was no good, he runs thru his opponents punches etc..that Hatton was not really good in the first place..
When Pac fought Cotto at 145, some people said, Oh Cotto's not the same fighter after the Margarito fight...
These were the reasons before right? But now, some people are singing a different tune Oh, the way he carried his power to the heavier weight class and the way he handled his opponents are highly doubtful/questionable...and the conclusion was he must be on roids/PEDS...
Which is which? he might be on roids or shall we believe some people's arguments before as stated above?
Why is this a non-issue after the Diaz fight? or the Dela Hoya fight? or the Hatton fight? Why?
He who is the cause of the cause is the cause of the evil caused.........Floyd started all this unprecedented drug tests demands..All fingers point to him...
If Floyd moved up to 135 and fought David Diaz but avoided Campbell, Guzman, etc... he'd be called a Bitch and a ducker.
If Floyd moved up in weight and fought a dehydrated, weight drained and never won a big fight De La Hoya, he would be criticized for handpicking a faded opponent.
If Floyd went to 140 and fought IBO Champion Ricky Hatton who had been previously knocked silly into a turnbuckle he'd be criticized as picking the weakest challenge at the weight. Avoiding Tim Bradley, Devon Alexander would not be taken to kindly by the masses.
If Floyd went to welterweight and forced a Post Margarito and post Clottey Miguel Cotto to drain to a 145 Catchweight he would be considered a Fraud and a fake welterweight champion.
If Floyd had 2 close fights with a Mexican warrior like Marquez he would not be let off the hook till he fought him a 3rd time and won clearly. Some would even say he's not undefeated cause he got a gift decision against a Mexican Warrior. like a Castillo perhaps
So simply put, if Floyd followed Pacquaio's route to greatness, he would be considered the biggest Fraud in Boxing. His haters would even come up with names for him like Fraud Gayweather or Flomo..
So as you have admitted, these were the reasons why Pac won against those fighters i.e weight drained etc....So where does the PEDS come in???
Im not sure if I feel comfortable with boxing having less stringent drug testing that the amateur sports of the olympics. Again, the stakes are pretty damn high. How many guys die in the ring each year? Id guess more than die on the track or the high jump mat.
In addition, the fact that boxing is such a truly international sport, Im not sure the requirements of the commission of one sport in one state is sufficient as the be all and end all of international testing regimes.
If its for the good of the sport why not...Make this random blood testing mandatory to all boxers professional or not..so that in the future parties to a fight will no longer negotiate on this issue...good post!