Pacquiao PEDs discussion.

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maybe PBF doesnt want to be just a promoter but a commissioner too. lol anyway this thread will be red by flomos and will not respond intelligently 'coz they have empty nuts to crack. this blood test demands is the first will happen in history. and it is a crap by PBF. i hope September fight will happen. Yup. No one has given any argument intelligent enough to take seriously. They even go offtopic on this one. Lol. In the end, the Flomos fail. They've ducked this thread like a plague. 1.3k views and few replies from Flomos? Hahaha even some of the ones who replied were obvious ALTS.

maybe PBF doesnt want to be just a promoter but a commissioner too. lol anyway this thread will be red by flomos and will not respond intelligently 'coz they have empty nuts to crack. this blood test demands is the first will happen in history. and it is a crap by PBF. i hope September fight will happen.

If the commission would ask Pacquiao to do random blood testing. I'm going to bet that he's going to take it. Just because Pacquiao refused Mayweather's will does not mean that he won't have his blood tested. If it was really required, you guys won't have anything to bitch out anymore. I say the reason you guys keep doing this is because you all got tired with the 'repetitive' he's shot, he's weight drained, he's cherry picked, and he's for his style arguments. You saw a way out of that and now nobody talks about those excuses anymore. It's all Pacroid is great because he takes steroids now. Lol but at least you recognize how great he is now, that what he is doing is impossible if you don't take PEDs which I believe he does not. Lol They are actually confuse Pac is too great for them but they cannot accept it. They are throwing all the extremes. They want to discredit not only Pac but also Roach Too much jealousy from Mayweather Sr. and Junior

how the **** can you have proof when pacs not willing to test when he's ducking and hiding ? if such tests were a neccesity in boxing pacman would be a nobody If the commission would ask Pacquiao to do random blood testing. I'm going to bet that he's going to take it. Just because Pacquiao refused Mayweather's will does not mean that he won't have his blood tested. If it was really required, you guys won't have anything to bitch out anymore. I say the reason you guys keep doing this is because you all got tired with the 'repetitive' he's shot, he's weight drained, he's cherry picked, and he's for his style arguments. You saw a way out of that and now nobody talks about those excuses anymore. It's all Pacroid is great because he takes steroids now. Lol but at least you recognize how great he is now, that what he is doing is impossible if you don't take PEDs which I believe he does not. Lol

how the **** can you have proof when pacs not willing to test when he's ducking and hiding ? if such tests were a neccesity in boxing pacman would be a nobody so sad and desperate :fingersx: Mayweather jr will be nobody for sure as he is now Listen!! HE HAS NO RIGHT, HE IS NOT THE CHAMPION Pac has all the right to say "NO" :fingersx:

Funny how this thread has been going on for a while now and no one seems to still have any reason why they accuse Pacquiao on taking PEDs other than him refusing the testing and mere speculations based on zero evidence, based on nothing.. how the **** can you have proof when pacs not willing to test when he's ducking and hiding ? if such tests were a neccesity in boxing pacman would be a nobody

its not hard to do that even pac is destroying his own reputation. Funny how this thread has been going on for a while now and no one seems to still have any reason why they accuse Pacquiao on taking PEDs other than him refusing the testing and mere speculations based on zero evidence, based on nothing..

it proves that they are here with one intention Make lie and destroy Pac's reputation. its not hard to do that even pac is destroying his own reputation.

He's tries hard to be a smart ''ass'' alright. He argues with something never said just for the sake of arguing and invents that someone said something he/she never really said. Never mind these blind people. it proves that they are here with one intention Make lie and destroy Pac's reputation.

yes, I have read all the statements- It doesnt prove who wrote what Stop being a smartass. He tries hard to be a smart ''ass'' alright. He argues with something never said just for the sake of arguing and invents that someone said something he/she never really said. Never mind these blind people.

Personally I feel there is nothing about Pac's rise through the weight classes that isn't easily explainable without any illegal help. He was weighing in at 148 or so fight night at 126 and 130, and he weighs that now. The muscle definition is because he isn't cutting weight as much in camp anymore, he can focus on toning. And Roach has taught him how to be a more effective pressure fighter rather than the wild brawler he once was. All of this is obvious, and it all explains his success. As far as why he wouldn't take the blood tests, it was both Floyd and Pac showing they didn't really want the fight in March. Floyd put up a stipulation that he knew would ruffle Pacquiao and his camp, and Pacquiao took advantage. Neither fighter wanted the fight yet, and this was a way to avoid it.

Damn, I guess Pacquiao has ZERO technical ability. He's the unanimous p4p currently and arguably the greatest boxer of our generation, yet he has NO technical ability, none! So pretty much all you're doing is sh1tt1ng on this sport you supposedly love. Because a guy with only "speed, power, etc" can climb the ranks and take out all of his greatly more technical counterparts. Wow! What a retard right? ZERO TECHNICAL ABILITY is the worst thing you could ever say to a PRO boxer. They wouldn't be ****ing PRO if they had ZERO technical ability. It's like you're saying that any basketball player, who are known to be very fast and agile, has proved to have great endurance, and has arguably strong hands and feet can beat any boxer, and not just any boxer for this matter, HOFs, Legends, 30+ decent ****ing boxers, can be beaten easily by these athletically superior guys just because of the fact that they are athletically superior and gifted. MOST STUPID POST I'VE EVER SEEN.

There is plenty of history on this forum and on other sites to show who said what and when. yes, I have read all the statements- It doesnt prove who wrote what Stop being a smartass.

There is plenty of history on this forum and on other sites to show who said what and when. Again, you believe everything that was stated by the media. I never said any direct quote from Pacquiao when the negotions were on going. Most of the comments were stated by Koncz, or Arum. Pacquiao was never interviewed directly. Heck I never heard Pacquiao say that he does not want to take the blood testing or anything for that matter. But that's a different topic. The topic here is: Is Pacquiao taking in PEDs? If you he is, what evidence do you have to lay out such heavy claim? Just because he beats fighters whom you guys first called Washed up? Shot? Dehydrated? Cherry Picked? So why is Pacquiao so great now that he couldn't be doing the things he is doing without the help of PEDs. First off, I though you guys didn't think that his wins against Cotto, Diaz, Hatton and Oscar were legit? So why say all these now? Weren't they Washed up? Shot? Dehydrated? Cherry Picked?

First of all... Pacquiao has ZERO technical ability. Natural talent(speed, power etc.), yes. Technical ability(boxing 101), no. PEDs dont affect anything you mentioned BUT at the same time, Pacquiao has none of the things you mentioned, so it is irrelevant to Pacquiao. PEDs DO however, affect natural ability (speed, power, endurance) which Pacquiao has. So the PEDs in question effect Pacquiao greatly. 0 technical ability? Really now? Omg do you even know what you're talking about? Does speed, power and endurance alone wins you fight? That alone made me lose respect on you. I'm sorry but you are way out of line by calling Pacquiao a 0 technical fighter. If he was, he wouldn't know how to punch, he wouldn't be accurately punching and hitting his opponents, he wouldnt be able to read what his opponents would do, he wouldn't jab, he wouldn't have great movement, great timing. So really now? You're saying Pac won just because of speed and power against Legends? Against future HOFs? God you're stupid. You're clearly blinded by hate. True that when you compare Pacquiao side by side with Mayweather's technical boxing, you'd see far off results but it's not as far as you say it is. 0? Wow.. Just think about what you just said for a moment please and edit your post. Oscar and Floyd? They haven't done anything on par to Pacquiao(Light FlyW WW). The equivalent would be... JR LW HW... KOing Vitali, Lennox, Holyfield etc. So don't bring that up anymore. 6 weight division for Oscar 5 weight division for Floyd 7 weight divisions for Pacquiao. So once again, not so far off, and considering that Floyd also started at 106 as an amateur. Only difference is, Pacquiao never went through amateurs. Because if he did, he wouldn't be starting pro boxing at age 16 with 106 pounds. You fail on this argument again. Also, dont compare Armstrong and Pacquiao. Your just regurgitating what announcers say when you do that. I don't even want to get into it, I can go into detail but I'm not. Why? Body types of then and now are different. Great Depression Booming Economy. No belief in cross training Belief in cross training. Don't bring that up anymore. I am comparing their achievements. I'm not comparing their skills, their body structure nor their boxing. I'm comparing their achievements and I'm telling people that what Pacquiao did is not as impossible as they think and something like it has been done before.. You argue just for the sake of arguing. 0 technical boxing? LW to Heavy weight? Please. Think before you post. Oh and by the way, I don't believe that any past champions, for any matter, had 0 TECHNICAL skills.

Crux of accusations: If Pacquiao agrees to testing: Mayweather looks like a scared bitch. Manny is never criticized about steroids. Your point is good only for convincing children Do you really think Mayweather jr and his fanatic fans like you will stop the accusation? Can you give assurance that smear campaign will stop? after he did the test and what if luckily Mayweather Jr. win Do you think smear campaign will stop? The answer is a big NO Because he wants to rob Manny of his success He is destroying Pac's reputation to uplift his Nice try :damnit1:

No one knows what statements came from Manny's mouth and which were ghostwritten by Arum. There is plenty of history on this forum and on other sites to show who said what and when.

No one knows what statements came from Manny's mouth and which were ghostwritten by Arum.

When did I say anything about that really now? First of all... Pacquiao has ZERO technical ability. Natural talent(speed, power etc.), yes. Technical ability(boxing 101), no. PEDs dont affect anything you mentioned BUT at the same time, Pacquiao has none of the things you mentioned, so it is irrelevant to Pacquiao. PEDs DO however, affect natural ability (speed, power, endurance) which Pacquiao has. So the PEDs in question effect Pacquiao greatly. Oscar and Floyd? They haven't done anything on par to Pacquiao(Light FlyW WW). The equivalent would be... JR LW HW... KOing Vitali, Lennox, Holyfield etc. So don't bring that up anymore. Also, dont compare Armstrong and Pacquiao. Your just regurgitating what announcers say when you do that. I don't even want to get into it, I can go into detail but I'm not. Why? Body types of then and now are different. Great Depression Booming Economy. No belief in cross training Belief in cross training. Don't bring that up anymore. Pacquiao at 135 is irrelevant because those fights aren't in question. You DO have a point with the dehydrated thing. I agree there. When Pacquiao KO'd Hatton, I posted a similar comment. He simply wasn't able to fill out his body back when he was at lower weights. He was poor then, and he is rich now. So he can eat everything he wants now. Which means he can pack on muscle. So I agree with you there on that point... Crux of accusations: If Pacquiao agrees to testing: Mayweather looks like a scared bitch. Manny is never criticized about steroids. Pacquiao REFUSES to be tested: Mayweather looks like a model citizen. Manny is criticized for steroids and everything that occurs if the fight doesn't happen. Now I ask you... Which path did Pacquiao choose? When you answer that. You will see why Pacquiao is being so heavily criticized.