Neutral boxing fans: Do you think Pac is on PED's?

At this point with the way him and his team have been acting, it wouldn't surprise me at all. I'm I sure he's on the juice? Of course not, but with all the other elite athletes, either coming out or being busted lately, only the blnd Manny nuthugger (which defines a huge amount of you on this site) would be shocked.

I do not think he is on PED's. But his handling of the whole situation does make me wonder. That is my honest answer.

because no fight for fraud jr was cooking from those times... then time and opportunity for pac catches by to beat the hell out of them...

When Pac won against Morales, some people said..Morales was shot, dehaydrated etc. When Pac climbed up to 135 and fought Diaz, some people said Diaz was the worst lightweight, etc. When Pac climbed up to 147 and fought ODLH, some people said ODLH was dehydrated,etc... When Pac fought Hatton at 140, some people said Hatton was no good, he runs thru his opponents punches etc..that Hatton was not really good in the first place.. When Pac fought Cotto at 145, some people said, Oh Cotto's not the same fighter after the Margarito fight... These were the reasons before right? But now, some people are singing a different tune Oh, the way he carried his power to the heavier weight class and the way he handled his opponents are highly doubtful/questionable...and the conclusion was he must be on roids/PEDS... Which is which? he might be on roids or shall we believe some people's arguments before as stated above? Why is this a non-issue after the Diaz fight? or the Dela Hoya fight? or the Hatton fight? Why?

not a PED user at all... he always gives his all to his country everytime he fights. it is filipino pride. why use PEDs where you know it will blemish the reputation you have made to raise your country against the others. i can still remember what he said when he was in the mission of fighting the mexican boxers... he's willing to fight everyday just to make our country unite. undeniably, no crimes are recorded or made when he is in the ring. then some crackheads and flomos start attacking with "its just a teaspoon of blood" ... damn them all:nutkick::thinking: manny is on BALUT... duck eggs! that's why floy is afraid of him... OT: wait, what really is floy? a duck, KFC, or a pu$$y ?

Pac wont take it even if the offer was 21 days. He offered 30 days and that's it. He's earning Millions in revenues from other places anyway. Money is no object to him. He's not giving in to Floyd's demand. He's on TINOLANG MANOK and NILAGANG BAKA only other fighters should try it.

I bet on Floyd to win the fight as soon as it was anounced.... I do not believe Manny is on PEDs, I believe he is simply a hard worker and he has a set of natural skills that will remain with him as long as he is in shape. there are many thing that have to be taken into consideration here, Manny grew up on a Filipino diet, for all the filipinos that know the meaning of this, basically he is a healthy dude, you will find this is the case with a lot of foreigners of Asian descent and especially of South east asian descent. I also believe that Freddy roach has helped Manny develop his skills in a way in wich we have never seen before, by focusing on all his best atributes he has allowed Manny to retain the agresiveness with added acuracy and measure. Manny is, in my opinion, a special fighter. BTW I believe the SAME exact thing about Floyd and I believe that Floyd detractors feel he is unproven because of the lack of A few relevant oponents in his resume. also, he is cautious to a fault, with that said, when my son grows old enought to try boxing, I will ensure that he fights like floyd. Tuck that chin and roll that shoulder son.

dude is a midget. midgets dont use steroids, This right here is 100% Grade-A truth and nothing but the freshest.

I don't think he is. But he never wanted to fight Floyd in the first place, you could see that in his post fight conference after he fought Cotto. Do you want to fight Floyd Mayweather? "Talk to my promoters!" Do you want to fight Floyd? "I'm gonna go on a vacation with my family." Do you want to fight Floyd? The Mayweather fight is the fight the world wants to see,” Roach said. “It’s going to be the biggest pay-per-view fight of all time. But I think we will fight one fight before that.” Roach said that Pacquiao’s schedule will be constructed around his political ambitions and the elections in the Philippines on May 10. “But there is a March date for him to fight,” Roach said. “People think I am crazy but I want him to win his eighth title against Yuri Foreman at 154lb. That’s my idea — then fight Mayweather in September. And then retire.” The way Roach sees it, there will be no further blemishes on Pacquiao’s record by the time he greets retirement, although he does concede that Mayweather will be “the hardest fight of his life”. Only the blindly Pac nuthuggers will ignored all these excuses.

i don't think pac is on PED, the guy is a hard worker and always trying to learn to step up with his ring performance. i think he is just very comfortable at his fighting weight where he does'nt need to drain himself before the fight. if you observe his fights at 135 to 145, he is much stronger because that is his natural fighting weight. the case of JMM who moved up in weight can not be compared with pac's case, JMM natural fighting weight is below 140. he agreed for the random blood test but not on floyds term. i don't think he refused to be tested just like some people say. floyd got his reason to require random blood test, but is there anyone here who really knows his agenda accurately? what we share here are just more of opinions that we can agree or disagree. the more disagreements, the more it gets exciting... :boxing:

No. at first i was very suspicious onto why he didnt want blood tests, but then i saw his 2005 interview explaining he felt the blood test he took early onto the Morales fight made him feel weak. Fighting has alot to do with mental strength. Manny is not as educated like most of us Americans where he grew up in a 3rd world country that has many superstitions.

Its not witch hunting to have an opinion and suspicion. Its not witch hunting to make a request in a negotiation to ensure that BOTH boxers are randomly tested and within the 30 days leading up to the fight. If Mayweather had said that Manny is the only one of the two of them to have to be randomly tested in that 30 days then you would have a point. I agree with you that every boxer should go through with it but until its implemented these two had the opportunity to do this on the biggest stage boxing has ever seen. What better way to show case boxing to the world and solidify it as the number 1 combat sport in the wake of the steroid era. May Sr. accused Pac, and SUSPICION ACCUSATION. My personal opinion why this fight didn't worked out, is that the promoters wanted more time to promote the fight. The more time to promote, the more hype the more people will be interested even a NON-BOXING fans will probably jump to the bandwagon, thus, will generate more PPVs and sold out arena. MORE money for TR, GBP, Pac & Floyd... I kinda thinking that these guys have mutual understanding of doing this and later on proceed with fight. But I'm really not sure it's just a hunch, the fact that how boxing promoters making too much money out of the boxers, specially those PPV materials.

Honestly, i dont really like people accusing me of something, its kindda insult for me... in pac case floyds camp accused him taking roids or something... for example, would u take aids test just because i accuse u have aids? come on, u must have some dignity ... well if i am pac....i just leave floyd and proceed with clottey fight... during that fight i take the random olympic test just to piss off floyd...hahaha dont get me wrong... i a big fan both of them...floyd has the skills to win this fight...and pac is full of surprises... Knowing that i don't have Aids and i will get to punch you in the face repeatedly while being paid $40 million to take the test, GHANDI wouldn't turn that proposal down.

Honestly, i dont really like people accusing me of something, its kindda insult for me... in pac case floyds camp accused him taking roids or something... for example, would u take aids test just because i accuse u have aids? come on, u must have some dignity ... well if i am pac....i just leave floyd and proceed with clottey fight... during that fight i take the random olympic test just to piss off floyd...hahaha dont get me wrong... i a big fan both of them...floyd has the skills to win this fight...and pac is full of surprises...

I'm not against RANDOM BLOOD TEST, Pac REFUSE whatever Mayweathers will say particularly in drug test. Pac was accused as RIOD user even before he fought Cotto. There's a MALICIOUS intent on the part of the Mayweathers and it's really obvious. It's WITCH HUNTING. I can't blame Pac over that but I would like him to undergone random blood testing as per NSACs terms not on any boxers terms. And ALL, I mean EVERY SINGLE BOXER should undergo these tests NOT SINGLING OUT 1 boxer. Its not witch hunting to have an opinion and suspicion. Its not witch hunting to make a request in a negotiation to ensure that BOTH boxers are randomly tested and within the 30 days leading up to the fight. If Mayweather had said that Manny is the only one of the two of them to have to be randomly tested in that 30 days then you would have a point. I agree with you that every boxer should go through with it but until its implemented these two had the opportunity to do this on the biggest stage boxing has ever seen. What better way to show case boxing to the world and solidify it as the number 1 combat sport in the wake of the steroid era.

No, I don't. I think he's letting his ego and pride get in the way of making this fight.

December 11: Freddie Roach:"I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want". December 14: Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes. December 22: Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight. Richard Schaefer: "Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight". In that same day, Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. is not detected by blood or urine.” How is HGH test done? More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture. December 23: Bob Arum: "Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing". Freddie Roach: "For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs". December 24: Arum: "This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn." December 25: Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday. NYDailyNews. Tim Smith, This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye. December 26: Manny Pacquiao: "I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight". December 28 Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court. December 30: David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach. Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test. David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward. Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones. David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad. Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH. David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test? Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine. So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not. Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't. The Mayweather fight is the fight the world wants to see,” Roach said. “It’s going to be the biggest pay-per-view fight of all time. But I think we will fight one fight before that.” Roach said that Pacquiao’s schedule will be constructed around his political ambitions and the elections in the Philippines on May 10. “But there is a March date for him to fight,” Roach said. “People think I am crazy but I want him to win his eighth title against Yuri Foreman at 154lb. That’s my idea — then fight Mayweather in September. And then retire.” The way Roach sees it, there will be no further blemishes on Pacquiao’s record by the time he greets retirement, although he does concede that Mayweather will be “the hardest fight of his life”. “Mayweather’s a very difficult fight for Manny,” he said. “It won’t be physically the hardest, but it will be the hardest fight of his life style-wise. Mayweather is talented and he’s good at defence. I have a very good game plan for him, but I’m sure a lot of other guys thought that along the way. "If they give me a 5-day window or something like that I have no problem with it," Roach said. "When they've drawn blood from Manny in the past he feels weaker for three or four days. It may be mental, but it's there." “Maybe Manny won’t calm down after all this character assassination done by Golden Boy,” Arum said. “Then I guess the solution is to move on and push the big fight into the fall.”

Nah I don't think he's using. This whole thing isn't based on any real evidence just speculation and Pac doesn't seem like the sort of character to cheat. C'mon bruh, show me the face of a liar, and tell me they look like a liar...That's some retard logic right there... So doe Martha Stewart look like the kind of girl who would cheat investors out of Millions... Does Madoff, look like he would mug you in an alley... What about McGuire...he surely has the face of a liar...

They also get to negotiate drug tests also as long as it is not less than the standards that governing body normally does. If what Mayweather was asking for was so unreasonable NSAC would have stepped in themselves and said you can't do this but because it was well within the realm of the negotiations they didn't. Arum was the one running to NSAC and said they should implement it themselves knowing that couldn't do that by the March 13th date. Do you realize what you are defending? You are defending not having the best tests to ensure that two men who are putting their lives on the lines once in that ring be on the same playing field smh. I'm not against RANDOM BLOOD TEST, Pac REFUSE whatever Mayweathers will say particularly in drug test. Pac was accused as RIOD user even before he fought Cotto. There's a MALICIOUS intent on the part of the Mayweathers and it's really obvious. It's WITCH HUNTING. I can't blame Pac over that but I would like him to undergone random blood testing as per NSACs terms not on any boxers terms. And ALL, I mean EVERY SINGLE BOXER should undergo these tests NOT SINGLING OUT 1 boxer.

I don't know, I think every man deserves the benefit of the doubt. But the latest ongoing situations make Pacquiao look suspicious. thats the best position to be at right now.. but dont crucify him.. not yet though..until proven. :)