Hopkins was by far the most efective puncher, but he only did it for five rounds.
If you throw away the other 7 rounds then you dont deserve to win.
Cal didnt deserve to win it either, but he didnt lose it.
PS Obviously a younger hopkins would destroy Calzaghe.
Edge to Ali, but its a split, hardfought decision, Lennox is up there with his best opponents, and Ali will be close to death in this fight.
I know it sounds a cliche, but if Muhammed approached this the right way he would find a way to edge out Lewis, he has a track record of acheiving against the odds impossible victories. Not to say Lennox wouldnt be just as focused but he doesnt have that track record against blinding odds (though thats not to say he might have it if he'd been given the opportunity).
I see what you are saying, non american, but isnt this argument more to do with the fact that Ali was so damn good, and not because he was american?
Personally I think Lewis would trouble Ali enough to take one fight out of three. But to pretend Ali wouldnt find a way to win in the other 2 matches, given he always has, is pushing it.
Joe peaked late, in his early thirties, during which he had awesome stamina, good chin but terrible accuracy and middling power. He may have been good earlier too but he never showed it by way of fighting a string of regional level fighters for 10 years (excepting robin reid)'
Jones peaked in his twenties, having adamantine reflexes and speed, and great combos but a middling chin that hadn't been exposed yet. Whilst Joe struggled with regionals, Roy made world legends look bad with his level of ability.
Luckily as well as being a late bloomer, Joe was also the younger man so instead of fighting roy all he had to do was wait for his reflexes to fade, and then take on the much diminished version.
Tbh the gulf in these peaks is tremendous. Roy would destroy Calzaghe. If truth be told, Joe would be too ****scared to ever get in the ring with prime jones, he admitted it as much, he pretty much knew he could never cope with someone genuinely fast, and Jones was more than fast, he would dance in and out of Calzaghe all night long, perhaps not stopping him but wrecking his face all the same.
sorry, has to reply to that one!
if you were going to duck a SMW in the 90s, Benn would be on everyones list after McC's accident, and I wouldnt blame anyone for doing that. Benn was mental.
Thread reported for racism.
not really racist though is it, if anything it portrays white fighters in a poor light, and only because they were poorer on the whole.
Marciano, then Dempsey, then perhaps Sullivan (but he wasn't really "undisputed", deliberately avoiding a substantial part of the population's best boxers) but more likely Baer.
don't like to make a list based on skin but if its asked for then the a top ten white HW title holders are -
1. rock obviously
2. Dempsey
3. Baer
4. Sullivan
5. JJJ
6. Fitz
7. Braddock
8. Waldo
9. Tunney
10. Vits
11... Corbett
I think I lost one name while editing that but its slipped my mind now. aha yeah braddock, he should be in top 10.
Monkey chants and throwing bananas still happens in soccer, not in USA but in Europe
yeah its appalling hearing that news when our team goes abroad to some of the more culturally backward euro destinations.
Britain isn't immune to stupidity of course - I was pretty taken aback by the booing of the American national anthem preceding Tony's knockout, unless it was meant in some kind of satirical manner...but its clear it wasn't.
Ridiculous, you are talking about somthing said over 30 years ago and trying to apply it to todays standards.
Football fans used ro throw bananas on the field and make monkey chants when black players touched the ball less than 30 years ago.
Just one example of how times and racisl attitueds have changed.
Very stupid thread.
yeah that monkey chanting was always suprising, given that chimps have white skin under their hair where the sun hasn't reached their skin.
Personally speaking, I understand that you need historical perspective in order to evaluate history.
However I am pretty sure that people who used monkey chants at black athletes knew deep down that what they were doing was insulting and unfair, that's why they were doing it, to cause offense. They enjoyed doing it, and they deserved to be reprimanded for what they were doing. But they never will be now. They'll get off as scot-free as the lynchers of poor ol' Leo Frank wayback then.
I don't mind taking it further and stupidity runs rife everywhere and far bck in the roots of society. If George 'major tithead' Washington, the ultimate king of being a total cunnt, can support a statement that all men are equal in the American eye but then own, whip and trade free American men at his own home for his entire life, then you can kinda excuse people making a few verbal insults. Oh George so MUST have known deep down that what he was doing was wrong, but he ignored that inside voice because it was convenient and easy for him to do so.
Minter deserves much more attrition for what he said back then. Guy is a twit, although I expect the next generation will treat us with the same disdain for using derogatory language such as '***' and 'so gay'. We'll be the new old twats soon enough, if aren't already.
Hopkins deserves to be seen as a **** for what he said, albeit an amazingly highly talented ****. Calzaghe was just replying, but then he gets what he deserves for trying to beat up old black men and failing.
Only those who like to play victim and/or have an agenda will be "offended".
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Thing is, its not the fault of the offendee, is it?
If you excuse a verbal insult too often, the next step is a physical insult, and then the economic/pecuniary insult, and next we'll have lynching and slavery being permitted based on the observation of skin colour.
Its hardly the fault of the offendee that some people react to hundreds of years of systematic enslavement based on skin colour attributes.
GGG did well to defend against 1 top contender during his title years and beat one titlist., but you dont want to put him against elites they will beat him.
GGG did well to finally step up at age 34 to face a titlist in Lemieux.
But Lemieux was the weakest titlist we'd seen in years, so we can surmise that GGG deliberately waited for that weak titlist to come along,in order to avoid losses to better titlists.
Ward is not only a hundred times better than Lemieux, but bigger too.
No chance for GGG and less chance of getting him in the ring with him anyway, if the best titlist GGG dare face ever is Lemieux.
no because froch doesnt have the "defensive" style to neutralize kovalev. by defensive that means clinching, bending below the waist, and headlocking. duh
nor does froch have that calzaghe ability of waiting till kovalev turns 40something before challenging him.
at least calzaghe hasn't suggested that froch move up to fight kovalev like calzaghe did with 40something jones and hops. Calzaghe realises that its physically impossible for froch to wait till kovalev turns 40something.
Man, you really are reaching with this crap again!
"Andre ...too much for me .... not today"
Do you think GGG thought he was being asked to fight Andre
what do you think they were talking about, tiddlywinks?
for a moment the mask slipped and GGG admitted in advance that he didnt want to fight someone good until he was old enough to pretend he lost due to age.
gotta give GGG credit for finally reaching the level where he can win a title in the ring againstweakass Lemieux when he was 35.
i get why andre ward who won his first title in his first title fight at age 25 against the elite titlist number 1 in the division would be too much for him.
IMO, Tyson is as overrated as Tua is underrated. That being said, if both were bigger/taller they would dominate the HW division for ages.
naa, height would ruin him.
i’m Saying Tyson showed his limitations when facing a slick boxer and fighter with good boxing fundamentals before his so called demise due to bad influences and was shown to be proven right when he boxed fellow hall of famers.
If your to stupid to even understand this then you really don’t have a hope.
When Tyson could not put a fighter away and the fighter then came back at him he seemed to lack desire to fight through it.
Douglas,Holyfield and Lewis all showed that so I suggest you read my post properly and comprehend it.
If you can’t then don’t bother replying to me in future.
so you ARENT going to give me a list of champions who KOed everyone at title level.
SO tysons not alone in being unable to then ok. thats all thats needed.
by all means reply if you manage to put together that list, we'll take it up again from the moment you do so, thats an absolute promise. I'll eat my own poop when u do.
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When Tyson could not put a fighter away and the fighter then came back at him he seemed to lack desire to fight through it.
luv ths bit though - "butbutbut ...when tyson lost, he couldnt ko his opponent! he shudda still koed them when losing!"
ahahahaa.
fame to young for him. he was still maturing, sexually immature and hanging about with immature women too. People shouldnt get that rich and successful when they are still being heavily influenced by their hormones.
I mean, he was still a little teenager as regards his maturity, in many ways. I'm guessing ...thats why he was brought low so easy by a woman or assaulted her, i am still unsure which.
Had he delayed his rise, he might well have lasted longer.