Did Roy Jones Jr Duck Nigel Benn?

World class Joe Calzaghe was clowning Roy Jones Jr made him look slow and useless that's what would happen no matter what version he faced, Imagine he faced the prime Joe Calzaghe though!! That would not be good for Roy Jones Jr, Joe can bring it and his tricky southpaw stance would give Roy headaches too slick, too fast, too much heart and clearly miles ahead of Roy in chin department I think Joe would KO him because in his prime before the hand injuries he had a good little bit of a punch to him. Okay, thanks for the confirmation that you're trolling.

Roy Jones only ducked Steve Collins ( who beat Eubank twice, and Nigel Benn twice)... :)

Why have you posted a gif of Roy from when he was almost 40? A gif that shows 4 punches where only one connects clean? Are you for real? This is what Joseph would have been facing in his prime: https://youtu.be/eyQkaeRgh2Q World class Joe Calzaghe was clowning Roy Jones Jr made him look slow and useless that's what would happen no matter what version he faced, Imagine he faced the prime Joe Calzaghe though!! That would not be good for Roy Jones Jr, Joe can bring it and his tricky southpaw stance would give Roy headaches too slick, too fast, too much heart and clearly miles ahead of Roy in chin department I think Joe would KO him because in his prime before the hand injuries he had a good little bit of a punch to him.

Roy was faster http://i35.tinypic.com/oozv4i.jpg Y'all musta forgot when past prime Joe took Roy Jones Jr to school, y'all musta forgot Why have you posted a gif of Roy from when he was almost 40? A gif that shows 4 punches where only one connects clean? Are you for real? This is what Joseph would have been facing in his prime: https://youtu.be/eyQkaeRgh2Q

You're either trolling or you've taken copious amounts of LSD. Which is it? Joe struggled with Robin Reid and he was dropped by Byron Mitchell and Kabary Salem. As good as he was, he was always relatively easy to hit, especially with right hands. Roy was faster. He was more accurate. He had better reflexes. He had better timing. He had a bigger repertoire of punches. He had genuine one punch knockout power in either hand. Wake up! Joe wasn't schooling any version of Roy who was peak at SMW. It's a fantasy. Roy was faster http://i35.tinypic.com/oozv4i.jpg Y'all musta forgot when past prime Joe took Roy Jones Jr to school, y'all musta forgot

Agreed same thing with the roy and dariuz situation That's right. The various Org's and their belts are absolutely killing the sport. We now have Org's who have 2 different belts per division. We have regular champs, super champs, and silver champs etc. It's a joke. Respected sports writer, Thomas Hauser, said it best years ago. He said: "How can we have 4 different organisations? We could end up with 4 different HW champs. That would be like having 4 Presidents or 4 Kings of England" Three main Orgsnisations were more than enough before the WBO were formed.

It's nothing to do with making excuses. It's circumstances. Boxing politics etc. Some big fights just weren't viable. It's as simple as that. Eubank wasn't one of the biggest names in the sport. And he's admitted on numerous occasions that he was just content to defend his WBO belt on Sky and ITV. He's also said that fighting Roy at his peak would have been suicide, and he'd only have gone through with it if Roy had been his WBO mandatory. Obviously, that was never going to happen. Because the WBO didn't even have Roy in their rankings. They focused on the lower level fighters of the division in the same way that the other Org's do. You say he should have travelled to the U.K. to have fought him. But again, take into account what Eubank said, and look at the logistics and the timelines. A Benn fight would have been great, because unlike Eubank, Benn would have relished a fight with Roy. But there were too many obstacles to overcome. Benn was with King and Warren, and his fights were shown on Sky and Showtime. But Roy had an exclusive contract with HBO, and his handlers, the Levin's, wouldnt tie in with King for more than one fight. And then there would have been the purse to discuss. Unfortunately, fight fans frequently get robbed of seeing great fights. And that's because there's too many organisations and belts etc. It's a ruthless business. I'd like to see something in place where unifications have to happen. Roy gets a hard time, but a lot of people aren't aware of the circumstances. Roy moved up to LHW when he couldn't unify at SMW. Benn held the WBC and Frankie Liles held the WBA. But Frankie turned down a career high pay day to fight Roy, which has been confirmed by both HBO, and Frankie's own manager. Agreed same thing with the roy and dariuz situation

I never buy this argument. Just about every great fighter has faced other top, primed opposition but when we get to names like Jones or Mayweather, we have to make excuses why their lists of donts are bigger than their lists of dos. I'm sorry if that offends but its just not good enough. Eubank was one of the biggest names in the sport, Jones should have traveled to the UK. The same goes for Benn. It's nothing to do with making excuses. It's circumstances. Boxing politics etc. Some big fights just weren't viable. It's as simple as that. Eubank wasn't one of the biggest names in the sport. And he's admitted on numerous occasions that he was just content to defend his WBO belt on Sky and ITV. He's also said that fighting Roy at his peak would have been suicide, and he'd only have gone through with it if Roy had been his WBO mandatory. Obviously, that was never going to happen. Because the WBO didn't even have Roy in their rankings. They focused on the lower level fighters of the division in the same way that the other Org's do. You say he should have travelled to the U.K. to have fought him. But again, take into account what Eubank said, and look at the logistics and the timelines. A Benn fight would have been great, because unlike Eubank, Benn would have relished a fight with Roy. But there were too many obstacles to overcome. Benn was with King and Warren, and his fights were shown on Sky and Showtime. But Roy had an exclusive contract with HBO, and his handlers, the Levin's, wouldnt tie in with King for more than one fight. And then there would have been the purse to discuss. Unfortunately, fight fans frequently get robbed of seeing great fights. And that's because there's too many organisations and belts etc. It's a ruthless business. I'd like to see something in place where unifications have to happen. Roy gets a hard time, but a lot of people aren't aware of the circumstances. Roy moved up to LHW when he couldn't unify at SMW. Benn held the WBC and Frankie Liles held the WBA. But Frankie turned down a career high pay day to fight Roy, which has been confirmed by both HBO, and Frankie's own manager.

We've discussed this before. It's a shame, but many fights weren't viable for one reason or another. There weren't too many fighters who truly wanted to fight Roy when he was prime. I never buy this argument. Just about every great fighter has faced other top, primed opposition but when we get to names like Jones or Mayweather, we have to make excuses why their lists of donts are bigger than their lists of dos. I'm sorry if that offends but its just not good enough. Eubank was one of the biggest names in the sport, Jones should have traveled to the UK. The same goes for Benn.

I saw the thread title and thought good god not this again and realised it was me that created it, Mr Rolltide what made you dig this up? LOL just looking at old threads

Yeah, I've always said he should have been GBP matchmaker. He always knew who to fight...with the exception of Kovalev. Even then, he really wanted Stevenson but Kovalev was the fight that could be made. I still think Cal and Hops are great fighters but facts are facts. Yeah, they were still great fighters.

Yeah, Joe did the exact same thing that Bernard Hopkins did. They were both scavengers. Yeah, I've always said he should have been GBP matchmaker. He always knew who to fight...with the exception of Kovalev. Even then, he really wanted Stevenson but Kovalev was the fight that could be made. I still think Cal and Hops are great fighters but facts are facts.

It's amazing how people will chose to ignore this when it came directly from the same person they're defending. Yeah, Joe did the exact same thing that Bernard Hopkins did. They were both scavengers.

No, he wouldn't have. Be realistic. When they fought in 2008, yes, they were both at advanced ages. But even though Joe was 36, he was still an elite fighter, coming off of 2 of his biggest wins. Whereas Roy was 3-3 in his previous 6, and he hadn't had a top level win for exactly 5 years. He was 9 weeks from his 40th birthday, and Joe had wrote in his autobiography that Roy was shot in 2004, which is the only reason Tarver and Johnson were able to beat him. He also wrote that a fight between them would be pointless. His autobiography was released at some point in 2007, the year before they fought. So what does that say about Joe? Joe would never have fought him when he was anywhere near his prime. It's amazing how people will chose to ignore this when it came directly from the same person they're defending.

Yes it's a fact that rjj ducked him. And now after time we see why. Ben would have wrecked him. I love Roy but Benn seriously would have knocked his head off He didn't duck him. His handlers couldn't agree terms with Don King, because King reportedly wanted future options on Roy. I loved Nigel as a kid. He would have been extremely dangerous for Roy, but he wasn't the same force at SMW that he'd been at MW. I'd have given him a 5 round window to have gotten Roy out of there. But I don't think he could have done it. Nigel was easy enough to hit and he was vulnerable. I think Roy would have scored a TKO in the mid to late rounds. I think his aggression would have been used against him. You say Nigel would have wrecked him and seriously knocked his head off, but what is this based on? He couldn't beat Watson and Eubank at his best weight at his peak, yet he'd have beaten Roy at his peak at SMW?

Joe was past his prime too and he had a tonne of hand problems back in his heyday when he was beating up Chris Eubank that version of him could and would give massive problems to Roy Jones Jr too bad we missed out on some good match-ups but I won't blame Joe for it since Roy never traveled either so why should I place blame only on one person? Roy never had to travel in his prime. It was Joe who needed to travel to the U.S. earlier in his career to try and obtain the biggest fights for himself. He didn't get recognition until he'd beaten Lacy in 2006. And that's because he was content to defend a lightly regarded WBO belt 21 times, against mainly B and C class opposition.

Yes it's a fact that rjj ducked him. And now after time we see why. Ben would have wrecked him. I love Roy but Benn seriously would have knocked his head off

I can make a list of fighters Jones didn't fight, longer than a list of prime ,world class opponents he did fight. That's sad. We've discussed this before. It's a shame, but many fights weren't viable for one reason or another. There weren't too many fighters who truly wanted to fight Roy when he was prime.

yeah, he would. They were both old too when they fought, people make out like joe was 10 years younger than him lol No, he wouldn't have. Be realistic. When they fought in 2008, yes, they were both at advanced ages. But even though Joe was 36, he was still an elite fighter, coming off of 2 of his biggest wins. Whereas Roy was 3-3 in his previous 6, and he hadn't had a top level win for exactly 5 years. He was 9 weeks from his 40th birthday, and Joe had wrote in his autobiography that Roy was shot in 2004, which is the only reason Tarver and Johnson were able to beat him. He also wrote that a fight between them would be pointless. His autobiography was released at some point in 2007, the year before they fought. So what does that say about Joe? Joe would never have fought him when he was anywhere near his prime.

Looking back at things now... Joe Calzaghe would have schooled any version of Roy Jones Jr, Joe was just too slick and he didn't have a glass jaw. You're either trolling or you've taken copious amounts of LSD. Which is it? Joe struggled with Robin Reid and he was dropped by Byron Mitchell and Kabary Salem. As good as he was, he was always relatively easy to hit, especially with right hands. Roy was faster. He was more accurate. He had better reflexes. He had better timing. He had a bigger repertoire of punches. He had genuine one punch knockout power in either hand. Wake up! Joe wasn't schooling any version of Roy who was peak at SMW. It's a fantasy.