Just felt a need to put this poll up because there are alot of people on this forum wrongly stating that "almost everyone" thought that Hopkins won this fight. don't just vote in the poll, give your score.
after watching the fight for the 348th time i now have calzaghe winning 118-109. i finally see all those imaginary punches that i missed before.
Are you finally waking up and scoring "air windmills" as scoring punches?
I had it a draw what awful fight B Hop didn't do enough and Zags pity patted all night no one deserved to win the awful fight. The only good thing about this fight it was on regular HBO.
I had Hopkins up with two rounds based on cleaner shots.
I only watched the fight once though. No need to watch it again. Hopkins is one of my favorite fighters of all time. However, this fight is not great and both fighters are to blame.
Hopkins was by far the most efective puncher, but he only did it for five rounds.
If you throw away the other 7 rounds then you dont deserve to win.
Cal didnt deserve to win it either, but he didnt lose it.
PS Obviously a younger hopkins would destroy Calzaghe.
I don't have a memory of Cortez interfering so much in the fight. But, like I said, I only watched once, 3 years ago. I'll return with my verdict when I've had a chance to review the video (I like technical fights, but I'm not really looking forward to this).
he definitely didn't allow hopkins to execute his usual inside game. some of the times calzaghe would be clinching and hopkins would be hitting him and he would still break them. just terrible. i don't know how big of an effect he had but sakio bika's inside game wore out joe and had him dead tired in the last couple rounds so i think a better ref would have favored hopkins.
I had B-Hop winning by a rd or two,imo it was a good close fight I enjoyed..But no robbery,it could have went either way all depends on what ya was looking for..
Hopkins undoubtedly was tired, although to be fair, he was never, ever in danger of being TKO'd.
I thought Calzaghe won a close, ugly, low contact fight. Hopkins landed the better punches, but didn't land a great deal of them. Calzaghe landed more, but he was certainly reluctant to throw combinations and let his hands go. In the end, he really just conned his way through the fight better than Bernard did. That's no rub on Calzaghe; he showed after all that he was able to match wits with Hopkins in there. And despite a lot of holding, he never really got taken advantage of inside all that much, which is something Hopkins is certainly capable of doing to most of his opponents.
Incidentally, I love how whenever you have close fights like this, people start crying robbery and then score the fight by like a single round or two for their guy. Heh.
cortez didn't allow any inside fighting which helped calzaghe immensely. hopkins likes to work inside and take little breaks but that was taken away from him. on the inside when hopkins still had hands free cortez would still break them. what separates a good ref from a bad ref is knowing when to break the fighters and cortez just breaks them no matter what. he's terrible.
...Hopkins wouldn't have tired so badly that he had to pretend to be seriously hurt by two phantom low blows in order to avoid a TKO.Hopkins undoubtedly was tired, although to be fair, he was never, ever in danger of being TKO'd.
I thought Calzaghe won a close, ugly, low contact fight. Hopkins landed the better punches, but didn't land a great deal of them. Calzaghe landed more, but he was certainly reluctant to throw combinations and let his hands go. In the end, he really just conned his way through the fight better than Bernard did. That's no rub on Calzaghe; he showed after all that he was able to match wits with Hopkins in there. And despite a lot of holding, he never really got taken advantage of inside all that much, which is something Hopkins is certainly capable of doing to most of his opponents.
Incidentally, I love how whenever you have close fights like this, people start crying robbery and then score the fight by like a single round or two for their guy. Heh.
My perspective;
scoring live (not ideal, if you're invested in a fight), I had it for Hopkins.
I'm a fan of both, but I was pulling for Joe that night because he was the younger man and I wanted him to bolster his record beyond the Hopkins bout by making a match with Chad Dawson or kicking Kelly Pavlik's ass (the Roy fight had also been mooted at that point, but I wasn't keen on the prospect).
At the final bell, I was disappointed because 1) I wanted to see Joe put on a clear, assertive winning performance by a couple of rounds (even though I knew it would be a competetive, awkward fight) and 2) I thought he'd lost the fight. Round after round had seemed to go by without Joe landing a clean effective punch, 'til he finally would land something hard and effective as if to signal a breakthrough, only for more rounds to pass before another such affirmative moment. All the while, Hopkins was sporadically landing clear, clean scoring shots. Late on, Joe's activity took over, but it appeared like he'd lost too many rounds.
However, I was still in the grip of fight-night adrenaline, so, shamefully, I was still hoping the decision would go to the man who I thought lost. :lol1: As the cards were announced, I was worried and braced myself for a decision in favor of Hopkins, only to be happily surprised.My initial cheer at the decision was tempered by the next day, though, when the hollowness of the victory set in, i.e. the victory felt hollow because I thought the fighter I wanted to win really lost.
I've only ever watched that fight once. Sometimes, after scoring live, I've rewatched a fight multiple times and not been able to find a way to score it for the fighter who I initially thought won (Froch-Kessler is a recent example).
I'll watch it again and score it closely and report back.
some of these people must have a lot of adrenaline because they are still pretending calzaghe won.
you can get gassed just by moving around,throwing punches and playing defense. it's silly to believe the very few punches calzaghe landed made hopkins tired. pascal hit hopkins with a lot more punches and knocked him down twice and he wasn't tired.
ko by logic
Because the idiot I was replying to was claiming he landed no effective punches. And if that had been true, Hopkins would not have gassed, despite what you pretend. But that had nothing to do with my scoring, and I didn't say it had anything to do with my scoring.
you can get gassed just by moving around,throwing punches and playing defense. it's silly to believe the very few punches calzaghe landed made hopkins tired. pascal hit hopkins with a lot more punches and knocked him down twice and he wasn't tired.