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Ortiz was not incredibly effective against Floyd and in the end, he paid dearly for his lack of focus, but he was able to sustain some semblance of an attack because he had stamina. Unlike Canelo, Ortiz is well-conditioned. He's actually completed triathlons, so he not only had a size advantage, he had the cardiovascular base to actually try to apply it. Additionally, you can't undervalue the fact that when Ortiz entered the ring against Floyd, he didn't have the mental burden of knowing that he'd tire mid-fight. As I pointed out repeatedly before September 14, Canelo has been plagued by poor stamina (this wasn't something that just emerged in the Trout fight) and if you watch Mayweather-Canelo again, you'll see the usual signs of Canelo's poor conditioning. So it's no surprise that he was unable to sustain any meaningful effort. Great post. I agree completely. Even Canelo knows that to beat Floyd you have to pressure at times, but like you said, Canelo knew he didn't have the stamina to maintain such a strategy. Also its not in Canelo's mental makeup to take punches to land punches. He shouldv'e utilized his weight advantage more and traded counter rights for hooks to Floyd's liver. I'm not saying to get predictable with it or do non-stop, but its gotta be part of the gameplan.

The last time I saw someone suffer a concussion in the first round and continue to get hurt for another 11 rounds was Fernando Vargas vs Felix Trinidad. Vargas was never the same. It wasn't just Vargas' punch resistance that went but his reflexes too. The Castillo-Corrales war took something out of BOTH fighters. Bradley stated himself that he was a lil punch drunk for a month after the Ruslan fight. There's NO DOUBT in my mind that Bradley left something in the ring that night. Nacho Beristein is very astute and experienced. Before the Ruslan fight he openly ducked Bradley stating, "He has a boring style". Then Bradley goes out and loses some brain cells and now he's a good opponent? OOOOOOOOOOKAAAAAAAY. Bradley has good movement and Marquez has "old knees". I think Bradley will look good in this fight UNTIL he gets rocked. Then its over for him. OVER! :boxing:

If ESPN gave more mainstream coverage to boxing then it wouldn't be even close to being percieved as dead. Instead on Sportscenter you see more coverage being given to Nascar, hockey , and golf. Why? Advertising dollars. Those sports correlate more to a white male aged 26-45 which is the most coveted niche from a marketing perspective due to their buying power. It's accidentally racist but a puposely class-based prejudice. Boxing just had (is still having) an awesome 2013 with more and more prospects emerging. But the ignorant, lazy people at ESPN say its a dying sport. BTW I wasn't trying to be racist, but its obvious that Sportcenter has a preference for the sports with the whitest fanbases. Boxing getting more time on Sportscenter would make it more of a "mainstream" sport.

Manny just hiding behind Arum. The last time he resigned Manny said he did it with Arum's promise to get him Floyd. Well a week later Arum began talking about Rios:D Rios was already lined up like Margarito and Clottey were. Manny knows he can continue being protected and promoted(hyped) with Arum. If Arum believe Pac could beat Floyd the fight would had happened long ago. Remember when Top Rank and Goldenboy were working together? We had the Cotto vs Mosley fight where Cotto was a 2 to 1 favorite and then we got Pavlik vs Hopkins where Pavlik was a 3 to 1 favorite. The TR fighter was the favorite both times which shows how afraid Arum is of losing. Its obvious Arum is milking Pacquiao for more fights. Unlike Mayweather, Arum is the official promoter and he makes big bucks off Pacquiao PPVs even though they sell less. Talk of a potential Pacquiao-Mayweather fight only helps to sell more Pacquiao PPVs to Mayweather fans and casual fans. I honestly think Arum was eventually planning to seek a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight but he let it marinate for too long and Pacquiao picked up 2 losses while simultaneously losing bargaining power. BTW, Pacquiao has the perfect style to absolutely KILL Danny Garcia.

I wasn't rooting for either fighter, but I did promise some casual fans a "great fight that won't go 12". The swollen eye affected Mattyse's aggression. Say what you want, but I want to see a rematch (I've read Garcia's camp says no however). I understand the swollen eye was caused by a punch, but there was some luck involved in the eye swelling shut so rapidly. I had the fight even before the eye incident. A trilogy would be nice. Garcia is likely headed to welterweight where he'll be hyped up as a potential Floyd opponent if he can get a good win under his belt. They better match him carefully though, Garcia is still full of flaws.

We also got Pac DLH where Pac was a solid underdog. Also Chavez Sergio, where the marketable TR guy was a big underdog Good point on the Pacquiao-DLH fight, but it was a win-win situation for Manny as most would say he was simply too small if he lost (Manny was a lightweight then), and he'd gain exposure and a good reputation as havin "the balls" to challenge a much bigger fighter. Of course we all know what really happened. Sergio Martinez is a Dibella fighter, not Goldenboy. I'm still not sure what started the fued. Joint PPVs bring less profits to the promoters but both fighters gain exposure and big paydays so what's the problem? Oh and yea I have no doubt Manny Pacquiao would KILL Danny Garcia! Pacquiao loves wide punchers who lack a good straight right.

I'm willing to put big money on Lara (at plus odds), so long as the fight is not in Texas or Mexico. Canelo has heavy feet. That's not something you can just work on. Lara dodges the big stuff and outworks Canelo while using lateral movement. Lara's camp has been asking for this fight for years. I have a feeling the fight doesn't get made until Canelo gets another big PPV vs Cotto.

Excluding the PPV fights, nothing beats Alvarado-Provodnikov in Denver. Alvarado fights with heart and pride. Now imagine him fighting in his hometown. Its gonna be a good one. Quillin-Rosado on Hopkins undercard should be good. I think Quillin has a glossy record but he's over-rated. Rosado has a spotty record but he's under-rated. I'm picking Rosado by split dec. Quillin gets one judge for fighting in his hometown, but Rosado capitalizes on Quillin's flaws.

Its too early to call him the truth, but maaaan I love that jab. He looks to have the physical tools but time will tell if he has a weak chin, folds under pressure, or has some type of glaring technical weakness. So far, so good.

Floyd worshipers hear this news and cheer as if they're getting a slice of that pie. In reality this PPV hurt the sport of boxing by leaving a bad taste in the mouths of casual fans who don't normally order a PPV yet decided to shell out 75 bucks to see a good fight. Instead what they got was another "safety-first" fencing match. Floyd should have turned up the heat on Canelo's slow A5S. By doing so he would have garnered new fans and bigger purses for his future fights. How many PPVs did Mayweather-Guerrero get? 850k. And the promotion included a Faceoff, 2 documentaries ("30 Days in May" and "Mayweather") and 4 "All Access" episodes. Also, it was against a Mexican-American on Cinco-de-Mayo. Gee I wonder why Floyd always fights on Mexican holidays? Obviously, it's to increase PPV buys among boxing's most loyal fan base -- Mexicans. The rumored break even point was 1.1 million PPV buys BTW. So Floyd-Guerrero does 850K buys and Floyd-Canelo does almost triple the numbers with an increase in price and yall fools still think Floyd is the "A side"? Come on man! Floyd has an extremely high boxing IQ (I'll say smartest boxer ever) but he doesn't deserve 100 mill for Saturday's performance. Matter of fact, the ONLY reason that boring Smith-Molina fight was on the undercard was to give a spot to a TMT fighter in Ishe Smith.

last thing you want to do when your fighter has been brutally ko'ed unconscious is have him fight a guy who can knock him out...and as limited as rios is, the guy is tough as nails and packs big power...if pac doesn't play it safe/smart then i think hes getting beat up and ko'ed again for sure... no other fighter in history has been able to come back 100% after getting ko'ed unconscious like pac did...and at age 34...NO ONE... What about Roberto Duran getting Ricky Flattened by Hearns and then beating Iran Barkley at middleweight?

Arum started the feud, he's bitter Oscar left, Golden Boy would happily take promoter fees to send their guys for big fights. Yes Danny is some type of joke. I agree its Arum that's being bitter, but now that certain fighters are locked in to either Showtime or HBO the feud is now even more impossible to overcome. I'm still mad I didn't get to see Donaire-Mares before the losses. I KNOW Donaire must be pissed. He could've made his biggest payday ever, but instead Arum makes him fight a guy with a more difficult style that was all wrong for Donaire - Rigonduex.

So Floyd just had a virtuoso performance against a stocky Canelo with slow feet and now people are saying he would have beaten a prime Mosley? Come on man! While its true that Shane's "boxing IQ" doesn't match up to Floyd's (nobody does), a prime Mosley had every other ingredient to give Mayweather pure hell. Great chin, vicious body attack, great hand & foot speed, awesome power, heart & balls (first DLH fight as evidence). Your'e not gonna beat Mayweather by outboxing him. You have to force exchanges. Let's not forget that Floyd's first fight at lightweight came against JL Castillo. Floyd backpedalled the whole fight and almost lost a close decision. Castillo had the chin and body attack necessary to trouble Floyd but the speed differential made a Castillo win too difficult. A prime Shane would've been all over Floyd. Sure he would've taken some jabs and counter rights, but as mentioned before Shane has a great chin (still does) and heart & balls. At the time both Floyd and Shane were fighting on HBO but Shane was more marketable and Floyd was quickly becoming hard to deal with, calling his HBO contract, "slave wages" (remember?). Shane would have gotten the edge on the scorecards for being the aggressor, coming forward, and being more marketable. Shane by dec. :boxing:

PEDs or not Marquez's legs are slowing. He's got old knees. His legs showed their age in the last Pacquiao fight. Having said that I think Provodnikov took something out of Bradley in their war. The last time I saw someone suffer a concussion in the first round and continue taking hard shots for twelve rounds was the Trinidad-Vargas fight. Vargas' punch resistance was never the same. Its proven that the more concussions one suffers the easier it is to suffer another one. I'm still having trouble picking a winner, but I'll be watching for sure.

Harris by 9th round TKO

The current version of Amir Khan is a bad matchup for Mayweather. If Mayweather doesn't knock him out, then Khan outboxes Mayweather. I understand the phrase, "outboxes Mayweather" sounds absurd, but Khan has crazy speed and reach, with very respectable power and boxing IQ. He has the perfect style and trainer to overcome Mayweather. I can't wait to bet on the inflated odds. People think Mayweather is a god, and all they remember about Khan is his KO losses.

Cotto has an agreement with HBO, so if he doesn't fight Canelo or GGG on HBO PPV soon, he'll have nowhere to go for television. Cotto might be able to beat Canelo but there's no way he beats GGG. GGG would cripple and retire Cotto. Cotto needs to fight Canelo first and double his retirement package.

According to Steve Kim, PPV providers wouldn't allow 2 major competing PPVs in the same sport on the same night. So the thought of having to compete with a Mayweather PPV is out of the question. A more realistic outcome would be Cotto-Canelo getting announced sooner than expected so as to have the Cinco-de-Mayo PPV date locked in early. Las Vegas gives the promoters a bigger site fee and a tax break, the Mexican holiday adds to PPV buys and adds drama, and so Cotto would have to be prideful to the point of stupidity to not fight in Vegas on Cinco-de-Mayo weekend. Cotto might be pridefull, but Arum ain't stupid. The fight is happening in May in Vegas on HBO PPV.

Most of them fight in a boring style. It's as simple as that. I always laugh to myself when so-called boxing purists bemoan the ignorant boxing fans who complain about hitting without getting hit. These people forget that boxing is about entertainment and I am sorry but in most of his fights Rigondeaux, who is perhaps the best example of why Cuban's get booed, does not provide that. I don't mind defensive boxing - in fact I am a pure boxer myself with a hell of a lot more amateur experience than 99% of the people on this forum - but even pure boxers have to provide entertainment if they want to win fans. It's not about being a brawler and getting hit unnecessarily, but when fighters who can knock people out never go for it it is very frustrating. Rigondeaux is a great puncher but often wins by decision because of his boring style. Rigondeaux is a moron as he complains about his lack of fans - it's not about how good he is and being avoided it's just that he's not a draw because he's boring. Lara is boring as hell too. Right on brother! It's gotta be hard on a promoter to have a consistent winner who can't sell tickets. I say just pay them less and don't ever put them as a main event. Or institute a KO bonus clause into the contract. Now that I think about it, most belt organizations have a mandated majority percentage that goes to the champion (during purse bids), which makes it even more difficult to get fights if you have a belt but no fans. Nobody would want to negotiate.

I forgot to mention, I think Cruz will look good in this fight if he can take Salido's punch. Cruz has good footwork and the edge in handspeed.

So this is what was behind the weird timing of his public pronouncement of his rehab, he was pre-empting the photos getting out. Oscar was/is being extorted. That's bad news for him, but I was thinking much worse. I thought Oscar paid off the judges in the Mayweather fight and then chose rehab in order to not be at the scene of the crime. Now I'm thinking it was the MGM Grand Sportsbook who paid off CJ Ross. They were probably taking massive bets on Floyd by UD. Back to the subject I hope Oscar gets better. Cocaine addiction is NO JOKE.

I would like to see the Charlos market themselves better and fight more aggressively. Mayweather is the last defensive styled fighter to make big money. Fan friendly styles are the new golden ticket in boxing.

Stance too wide... A wide stance makes for slow lateral movement. Yet he's STILL faster than Froch in every way and every direction. Groves by split decision.

Can't people just accept the fact that it takes two fighters, a compelling story and marketing to reach those numbers? It isn't 2.2 for just Floyd. It isn't 2.2 for just Canelo. It's 2.2 for Floyd, Canelo, story of two undefeated champions, promise of Canelo being a true threat based on Canelo's recent wins, Canelo's young age, Floyd's older age, their records (44-0, 42-0-1), Canelo's following, Mexican independence weekend, Floyd's following, the people that want to see Floyd lose, the typical hype around a major fight, and all of the marketing and build up put into the fight. A lot goes into making a major fight successful which is why you don't just see them thrown together. It takes negotiation and time. I am a graphic designer working for a marketing agency. Yes it takes time to simply design the marketing materials, photoshoots for posters, motion graphics for video packages, etc. There are a million moving parts. Anyway, anything about 1.5 is very good. 2.0 is great. 2.2 (for Mayweather vs someone not DLH or Pacquiao who both have track records and proven names longer than Canelo) is astounding. (Ishe and Molina should never be on PPV again..lol) great post

Everyone is expecting an all-out war but Im willing to bet Chavez comes out trying to box from distance early and not staying in the pocket until his legs tire (i.e. Vera rematch). Lets not foget Froch is prone to taking left hooks (i.e. Kessler rematch and Ward fight), especially when the hook is thrown off the jab. Froch's experience and conditioning should prevail however. The January date is probably being picked so as to not crowd the PPV schedule. People will save their cash if the fight is scheduled too close to a bigger PPV.

Mares realized he was gonna get hurt (he did get hurt already) if he fought at 126-130 the way he used to fight at 118-122. I actually think he realized this in the Ponce de Leon fight. The knockout loss to Jhonny Gonzalez was just the confirmation. Robert Garcia would get Mares killed, he's not fighting Bantamweights anymore. I heard he still plans to move up to 130 soon. He wants to add new weapons to his arsenal. Let's see what Virgil Hunter can do with him. I couldn't agree more with that post. Virgil has an big emphasis on defense. Khan looked great in his last fight against Collazo. Khan was extremely tactical even though his tactics included holding. But it was smart holding, which played to Khan's advantages. Also, Virgil is not the type to completely change one's style. Beristein on the other hand is a perfectionist who demands that his fighters fight to his EXACT specifications down to the most minute details.

GBP trying to get all the cash they can get ,sounds like a cash out again knowing Danny still has time to rebuild his career ,everybody and anybody wants one of Floyds last 4 fights on this contract ..Big Money fighting anybody else is only going get him 1.5 to 5 + mil fighting Mayweather. Everybody has a plan until the bell rings. Floyd fought Robert Guerrero (a Mexican-American) on Cinco de Mayo, produced 2 documentaries ("30 Days in May" and "Mayweather"), and had a 4 episode "All Access" and yet only sold 850K. I'd be surprised if Garcia breaks the 1.1 million sells mark necessary for Showtime to break even. Sells talk aside, I think Garcia ends up taking a true, massive, brutal beatdown. Garcia's great chin and heart will only prolong the beatdown. Floyd by TKO in 9.

Canelo didn't dare to be great First of all, Marquez is supposed to have something to say. He's a boxing analyst for ESPN Deportes. 2nd, calling Marquez a "know-it-all"? Uh, yea, he has an extremely high boxing IQ and has actually been in the ring with Mayweather so I'd say his opinion is more valid than most. Personally I think Canelo simply didn't dare to be great. What's the point of having a 15 lb weight advantage if your'e not going to impose your size. There were 2 separate occasions where Canelo landed a left hook to the body as Floyd simultaneously landed a counter right to the face of Canelo. If that pattern kept repeating itself, Canelo's face would've been busted up, but a good body attack (especially to the liver) is vital to slowing down any opponent. Canelo should've pressured more and forced more exchanges. Canelo however, is known for pacing himself in ALL his fights because he DOES have bad stamina. Canelo was AFRAID of getting tired and being vulnerable to a potential KO by the hands of Floyd. Anyone remember the Lara-Angulo fight? Lara was tagging the crap out of Angulo but Angulo wouldn't stop coming. Angulo believed in his power and weight advantage and created his own luck by eventually hurting Lara. Angulo BTW, has even slower feet than Canelo but had the clever tactic of switching to Southpaw at times in order to cut off the ring. Angluo eventually got TKO'd but at least he "DARED TO BE GREAT". I liked Canelo's jab at times. If he would've mixed in some suffocating pressure he would've taken more counter shots but, he would've given himself a better chance to slow down and eventually hurt Mayweather. Heck it seemed like the official judges were giving Canelo every benefit of the doubt. Canelo could have conceivably won a split decision or draw if he would've pressured more.

Cotto hurts Pacquiao The Clottey fight was extremely close. But Clottey wouldn't have won as many rounds if it wasn't for the cut obscuring Cotto's vision! Clottey hit him with some straight rights that I know wouldn't have landed if Cotto had both eyes. That being said... Every fighter has their limit. Pacquiao shouldn't be fighting the best at 147. He's too small. Cotto will hurt Pacquiao. Look up Cotto vs Judah and Cotto vs Corley for a preview. Pacquiao might have the speed advantage, but Pacman's not as fast as he used to be at the lighter weights. That's a fact.

I don't understand why HBO doesn't just lay down the law. They literally control American boxing with their money. Yet they give GB promotions an exclusive contract for dates which stifles competition which makes the end product weaker. To top it off HBO unnecceasrily overpays boxers who don't sell tickets and only fight bums. If you don't sell tickets the only way you should be getting 500,000 dollars is if your opponent is not a bum. Berto and Bradley have been fighting nobodies and yet they still get the big bucks? Come on HBO. Those guys fight in their hometowns in front of half empty arenas. Showtime's budget doesn't come close to HBO's but they got it right with "Great Fights No Rights".