I've only seen Lopez's last 2 fights. Can someone who's seen his other fights tell me how his chin is ? He's seem very confidence. How is his chin compared to Rafael Marquez ? Vazquez ?
You do know Mosley is with GBP right and you do know Floyd is real tight with GBP?
I would think GBP would push for Floyd-Mosley before Manny-Mosley since they would need to team up with Arum.
And you know Floyd aint fighting Shane til Shane is 80 year old, right ? :ninja:
that boxer would get owned in one round vs any decent grappler. and the other guy is pathetic. you're aint no mma fighter if you let a so-called boxer get out of the mount that easily LOL.
lol. that is a low IQ'd post right there or its just hate thats clouding your better judgment, either way its very stupid.
The only fighters in MMA that become champs are fighters that are good at everything. Any fighter that is ONLY good at striking or ONLY good at the ground game will not become champs.
Mir beat Noguiera with strikes because Noguiera has a great ground game but isn't so great at stand-up. Mir himself has a great ground game but he knew that even he would not likely be able to submit one of the greatest ground fighters in the history of MMA so he didn't try. Now, if you put Wlad in the ring with Mir, you think Mir will try and strike with him? lol, no way. he will go straight for the takedown and either try and submit him or ground and pound him to victory.
If you do not get this basic concept and continue to make DIRECT comparison's between the 2 sports, then you are a retard...... plain and simple.
These guys are so dumb and dont know jackshit about mma. And it is so stupid to talk shit about mma in a boxing forum. It's like some tribe in the Amazon talking shit about how they have this bad ass bow and arrow for hunting while they dont know the rest of the world are using guns LOL.
Also if you think mma is shit, go to a mma gym and challenge the guys there to a fight to find out how shitty they really are, stupid.
I give MMA a lot of respect. I don't see how saying a Boxer would most likely have a more successful MMA career than an MMA fighter would have a boxing career is disrespectful.
What you say is absolutely true. One can not just train in boxing a few years and expect to beat the guys who train boxing for their whole life. That is why you dont see mma fighters trying to fight a boxing champs in a boxing match and no boxing champs would dare to fight a mma champion in an mma match. They will get humiliated either way.
I've seen Valero's last few fights and my impression is he isnt as good as people make him out to be. Pacman will KO him EASY. Valero is so sloppy with his punches. His defense is so open. He gets his knock out record fighting nobodies. I just took a look at his lastest opponent and all i can say is: How the hell did this guy get ranked to fight for a title ???
i havent watched the fight a second time but from what i remember, i only gave feliciano a few rounds. His punches has almost no power behide them. cintron was landing cleaner, more powerful shots. that guy just had an unbelievable chin.
The closer it gets I think Cintron's gonna produce something special.
I'm taking Cintron by UD or TKO.
Cintron will outbox Margarito on the outside and will hang onto Margarito like a monkey to a tree when Margarito moves in close. That is E. Stewart's training specialty.
I had an argument today with a friend that believes that boxers cannot hold their own in a street fight. He believes that other combat sports such as karate, olympic wrestling, judo, mixed martial arts are highly superior compared to boxing and that boxers outside the ring cannot handle their own when they are not in the ring. He pretty much believes that boxing is the lowest form of fighting technique. I got really aggrevated by this and told him that boxing is very disciplined and that he wouldn't stand a chance against a boxer in the ring or outside the ring. He then responded by saying something dumb like "well boxers only punch, so in a street fight, I'll kick him in his knee and tackle him." By a response like that, I was really mad and also dissapointed thinking that a lot of non-boxing fans feel this way?
Do any of your friends who are not boxing fans or boxing fans think that boxing is the lowest form of fighting technique?
I believe if you have 2 guys who are exactly the same physically and 1 guy practice boxing while the other guy practice muythai or judo, chances are the boxing guy will lose to the other guy in a street fight.
because all the muythai guy has to do is cover up with his hands and throw kicks at the boxer from distance. same with judo, all he has to do is to duck low and clinch. once he got a hold of the boxer, the fight is over. I am not saying the boxer has NO chance but in general, I see the boxer loses more than wins. Nowaday,the baddest guy is the guy who practice every form. punch, kick, takedown, takedow defense, submision.. boxing is only a small part of combat. still it is my fav. sport :banana:
I had an argument today with a friend that believes that boxers cannot hold their own in a street fight. He believes that other combat sports such as karate, olympic wrestling, judo, mixed martial arts are highly superior compared to boxing and that boxers outside the ring cannot handle their own when they are not in the ring. He pretty much believes that boxing is the lowest form of fighting technique. I got really aggrevated by this and told him that boxing is very disciplined and that he wouldn't stand a chance against a boxer in the ring or outside the ring. He then responded by saying something dumb like "well boxers only punch, so in a street fight, I'll kick him in his knee and tackle him." By a response like that, I was really mad and also dissapointed thinking that a lot of non-boxing fans feel this way?
Do any of your friends who are not boxing fans or boxing fans think that boxing is the lowest form of fighting technique?
not many judokas can get close to a boxer without getting hit and as it would be the first time they were hit they would probably fall into the one of these two ptions:
lose all composure and start openning up with wide slow haymakers
shield their head in their arms and try to move away
in my experience these are the two most common things that a person does when they get hit.
with thai boxing it really dpends how they were trained.
thai boxers need to be closer than you think to deliver punishing kicks such as the roundhouse, they usually kick just inside of punching range . in a streetfight 1 good punch usually ends it or at least is the begiining of the end. it would take many thai kicks to end a fight and everytime a kicker lifts his leg of the floor he is completely immobile. a boxer should be ble to move in and punch while his leg is still in the air!!
we can argue it back and forth and wont convince either one but the fact is ray mercer fought in a K1 fight with a Japanese fighter much smaller than him and lost. he got his leg kicked the heck out of him. Mercer also lost to another K1 fighter by KO. Also i think u give too much credit to a boxer's ability to defense a take down. Most of the time, they practically have no take down defense and are sitting ducks on the ground.
I wrote this in another thread. Rampage hits about HALF of an average HW boxer.
This is a quote from another site. And I too have done some research on the measuring criteria.
it was total force, not force per area. 1800 lb from the whole fist with glove on. He has huge hands, must have been at least 5 sq inches in contact area, so 1800/5 = 360lb/in^2. Average HW' punch is 700 lb/in^2 so Ramage's punch is about half of an average HW boxer.
yup the TS messed up. this is 1800 lbs of force NOT 1800 psi. So basically that's 1800lbs hitting ur face. If it's 1800 psi, and his fist is say 5-6 square inches in area, then that's 90000 to 108000 lbs of force hitting ur face!!!
just kidding, that's only 9k to 10.8k lbs haha
does anyone know if Merchant is still working for HBO anymore ? I like him more than Kellerman. The guy isnt afraid to ask tough questions and his commentary is more colorful. the bad side is he tend to complain about boxing a lil too much but i usually agree with his complains. If you want boxing to change for the better, then the first thing is you have to point out the bad issues and try to fix them.
i hate how they slow down the motion everytime someone lands a clean punch. That makes it look like a videogame :nonono: They need to either stop that shiet or do a better job at it.
Steward has help turn Cintron into a wrecking machine. I see Cintron by mid-to-late tko victory. Margarito would likely want to go on, but either the ref or doctor or his corner will wave it off.
FYI - Hearns as an amateur was not known for power. He'd pop and back off. Then he met Steward. Steward taught him to use his height, jab and to turn over the right hand. History was made and we saw one of the best right hands ever. Cintron has always been known as a devastating power puncher. Now he has Steward to help him refine his vast power and talent. I think if Cintron applies himself over the next 5-7 years, he will give anybody from 147-160 big problems.
absolutely .. Cintron kinda reminded me of the G-man when he KO Matthysse. That combo was just brutal. He can outbox Margarito easily with Stewart as his trainer but Margarito does have a good chin.