Proof boxers would dominate MMA

I'm sorry, but I seriously doubt the gameplan was to box a guy that was better in every way on his feet. Mir didn't even look remotely good at boxing, yet he still annihilated the guy. If he was shot, then that's different, but the guy never even attempted to fight. Was he just looking for one last payday or something? One of the big appeals of Nog is that he's at his best in crisis situations. In boxing, if you get tagged good that you fall down, conscience or not, that's a knockdown. In MMA, you have to follow up to finish the job. Nog expects people to follow up and uses his very high level jiu-jitsu to either submit his opponent or at least neutralize him till it's stood up again. Mir won on the basis that he wasn't going to play any part of Nog's game. The primary focus being not to get into a ground battle. So you had one and a half rounds of a sub par striker knocking down a Pan Am boxing gold medalist senseless because he relied too much on his JJ to bail him out and keeps forgetting that people can and will score on him pounding from the standing position.

I'm sorry, but I seriously doubt the gameplan was to box a guy that was better in every way on his feet. Mir didn't even look remotely good at boxing, yet he still annihilated the guy. If he was shot, then that's different, but the guy never even attempted to fight. Was he just looking for one last payday or something? Didn't look remotely good at boxing compared to what ? Why are you constantly trying to compare the way MMA fighters box, to a professional boxer in a boxing match ? These guys aren't fighting in a boxing match. Its an MMA fight.

And I still want to know why the commentator was acting like Mir was a great boxer. Is that considered great boxing in MMA?

I'm sorry, but I seriously doubt the gameplan was to box a guy that was better in every way on his feet. Mir didn't even look remotely good at boxing, yet he still annihilated the guy. If he was shot, then that's different, but the guy never even attempted to fight. Was he just looking for one last payday or something?

I still don't understand why anyone would let themself be picked apart with simple boxing. He looked hurt to me on two of the three knockdowns, so I don't understand why he wouldn't change his gameplan. Is Noguiera just an idiot? It seriously was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a fighter, boxing or MMA. Mir is not the kind of fighter you want to desperately shoot for a takedown on. Nogueira has shown some vulnerabilities to the kind of dynamic submissions Mir specialises in. When you compare their styles, Nogueira is a very orthodox grappler, he uses the established BJJ ethos of securing an advantageous position, then the submission. Mir has a more aggressive style of BJJ, he'll go for unorthodox but powerfully applied submissions from things like sloppy takedowns and transitions. Nogueira had the right gameplan initially, I just think his body has given up on him.

I still don't understand why anyone would let themself be picked apart with simple boxing. He looked hurt to me on two of the three knockdowns, so I don't understand why he wouldn't change his gameplan. Is Noguiera just an idiot? It seriously was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a fighter, boxing or MMA. Heres video of Cro Cop (a known striker in MMA) against Noguiera from five years ago (ref cam). You can see Nog getting beat a lot, but in all honesty, he just keeps trying and trying till he gets you on the ground and subs you. Nog before the Mir fight was the guy who's never been KO'd, sub'd, or finished. He's very well known for his come backs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0D3UhPVrOw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GgQOrnILBQ

The Mir vs. Noguiera fight is a poor example because - Noguiera's gist of his stand up were from training with the Cuban Boxing Team when he was fighting in Pride FC. - Noguiera is way past his prime. Compare this fight to his fight with Barnett and Cro Cop and you'll see a different person. A better example if you want to use is Rashad Evans vs. Liddell. Also I'm sure Noguiera didn't go for the take down cuz he probably thought He had better stand up than Mir in which case Mir surprised him. Also Noguiera has been known to be versatile so it's not a surprised if Noguiera gets knocked down a lot in a fight. Thank you for pointing this out. Like I posted earlier, people should watch his fight with Sergei Kharitonov. Nog looked a completely different fighter tonight, he had no head movement, he looked slow and his chin is now really fragile. He threw literally about 3 punches in the first round. I mean, Nogueira has defeated opponents with his striking, I don't think anyone was wrong in predicting Nog to pick apart Mir standing. Nogueira has survived against and outstruck better strikers than Mir. He was able to do more to Fabricio Werdum standing than Arlovski could. It really does just appear that time caught up with him.

I still don't understand why anyone would let themself be picked apart with simple boxing. He looked hurt to me on two of the three knockdowns, so I don't understand why he wouldn't change his gameplan. Is Noguiera just an idiot? It seriously was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a fighter, boxing or MMA. Its because in MMA, your opponent's hands are not the only thing you have to be worried about. There are so many more elements to MMA, that if you focus on one, chances are you are going to be caught off guard with something else.

Anybody see Mir vs. Noguiera? Mir is a lousy boxer at best and completely dominated the #2 or #3 rated heavyweight in their sport with basic boxing skills. Any top 10 heavyweight in boxing, even in this, our worst heavyweight division ever, would go undefeated in this shit sport that is MMA. While it is true that any good boxer should be able to beat the streetfighters in the cage in theory, in practise this is not so simple. You have to remember that men are not machines, you can not just flip a switch and expect a good performance. We are all human and we are affected by our surroundings. Boxers will often try to avoid fighting an opponent in his backyard because it is difficult to perform well in that ambiance. Try walking into a cage with bare feet, having an audience that is hostile to you, and then worrying about a different set of rules. Are you really going to box as well as you can?

your an idiot, Nogeria is known for his submissions. Hes arguably one of the best submission artists in the sport at HW let alone in MMA. Nogeria uses his boxing to survive against stand up fighters so he can take them down when they think they can nail him. Boxers should stick to boxing, MMA artists shoudl stick to MMA. Its as simply as that. I still don't understand why anyone would let themself be picked apart with simple boxing. He looked hurt to me on two of the three knockdowns, so I don't understand why he wouldn't change his gameplan. Is Noguiera just an idiot? It seriously was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a fighter, boxing or MMA.

The Mir vs. Noguiera fight is a poor example because - Noguiera's gist of his stand up were from training with the Cuban Boxing Team when he was fighting in Pride FC. - Noguiera is way past his prime. Compare this fight to his fight with Barnett and Cro Cop and you'll see a different person. A better example if you want to use is Rashad Evans vs. Liddell. Also I'm sure Noguiera didn't go for the take down cuz he probably thought He had better stand up than Mir in which case Mir surprised him. Also Noguiera has been known to be versatile so it's not a surprised if Noguiera gets knocked down a lot in a fight. Thanks for contributing that info

your an idiot, Nogeria is known for his submissions. Hes arguably one of the best submission artists in the sport at HW let alone in MMA. Nogeria uses his boxing to survive against stand up fighters so he can take them down when they think they can nail him. Boxers should stick to boxing, MMA artists shoudl stick to MMA. Its as simply as that.

The Mir vs. Noguiera fight is a poor example because - Noguiera's gist of his stand up were from training with the Cuban Boxing Team when he was fighting in Pride FC. - Noguiera is way past his prime. Compare this fight to his fight with Barnett and Cro Cop and you'll see a different person. A better example if you want to use is Rashad Evans vs. Liddell. Also I'm sure Noguiera didn't go for the take down cuz he probably thought He had better stand up than Mir in which case Mir surprised him. Also Noguiera has been known to be versatile so it's not a surprised if Noguiera gets knocked down a lot in a fight.

I just want to know why Noguiera never got close to doing anything successful against Mir, who was controlling every aspect of the fight with what I guess we could call "boxing" Why did he never get past the simple jabs and sloppy uppercut attempts?

I agree. I also think most boxers could get taken down very easily, then its game over. But MMA and boxing are just 2 different sports, and it should be left at that. Exactly. They are different. They're both sports with rules. It's not even real fighting. Real fighting, if you want to get into what is the best way to fight (or which is better, more skilled, would beat the other), is using a gun and shooting someone in the face. Dead straight away, you win in way less than a second. Best fighting style there is. Boxing is a sport about money and entertainment. MMA is a different sport, also about entertainment. Vastly different, but both involve two guys or girls trying to hurt each other in different ways. Neither is better because they involve different rules. Boxrer's are best at boxing and mixed martial artists are best at MMA. Really f*cking simple. What's the best way to hurt someone though? Read above.

Noguiera would immediately take a boxer down and make the boxer tap like a bitch. Mir is a good wrestler as well therefore Noguiera did not go for a take down. As you seen Mir would not go to the ground with Noguiera even when he had him on the floor he allowed him to get up. You call the sport shit yet you sat there and watched the whole event :rofl: I'm not a fan of UFC, and i'd watch boxing over UFC any day of the week but your post is as ignorant as it gets. so after getting killed for a round and a half, suffering two knockdowns, why didn't Nogueria attempt a takedown? Me thinks because he was being absolutely destroyed by what can laughingly be called boxing in the center of the ring

Yeah because we all know guys like Mir and Nogueira wouldnt be able to take a boxer down and submit them or pound them out in a cage, right?:lame: Its two different sports, let it be. Yes, boxers are better boxers than MMA fighters, MMA fighters are also better MMA fighters than boxers, thats the truth. :gives:

lol. that is a low IQ'd post right there or its just hate thats clouding your better judgment. either way its very stupid. The only fighters in MMA that become champs are fighters that are good at everything. Any fighter that is ONLY good at striking or ONLY good at the ground game will not become champion. Mir beat Noguiera with strikes because Noguiera has a great ground game but isn't so great at stand-up. Mir himself has a great ground game but he knew that even he would not likely be able to submit one of the greatest ground fighters in the history of MMA so he didn't try. Now, if you put Wlad in the ring with Mir, you think Mir will try and strike with him? lol, no way. he will go straight for the takedown and either try and submit him or ground and pound him to victory. If you do not get this basic concept and continue to make DIRECT comparison's between the 2 sports, then you are a retard...... plain and simple. His whole thread is low IQ. If you can't understand that you have to fight the guy in front of you, then you will never understand how to fight at all. Fuego is just a bit obsessed in his need to pretend that boxers, and especially Mayweather, could never be beaten by someone that can't do a shoulder roll counter. :lol1: I really liked the "Chad Dawson would beat anyone with just circling and jabbing." :rofl: Yeah, because they're just going to stand in the middle of the cage waiting for him aren't they? Hey Fuego, answer this. Have a look at Dawson's last fight. Now, watch when they both come in and get ready to jab or throw or whatever right? Now, do you think a guy that trains every day could get to his legs? Just get to his legs? Just touch his legs, not hit him or submit him or anything, just get close enough to touch his legs at the knees? Watch the tape and tell me what you think. Oh, wait, let me guess, you're going to say that Dawson could just skip out of the way and counter right? Just like that.:fing02:

If you like MMA cool whatever but here sums it all up: Griffin-Evans HEADLINING A PPV card-Reality stars!!!!!!!!!!!! Could you imagine Mora-Manfredo headlinig a PPV? OF COURSE NOT The problem here is it is SO SLOPPY TO WATCH. Most UFC fighters are former college wrestlers who take a crash course on Boxing and therefore to the trained eye it looks sloppy and ridiculous to watch but to the casual moron it looks good. Fine they great wrestlers but Brady is a great QB but would you pay to watch him play LB? NOPE...Just like a college wrestling fan wouldn't wanna see Margarito wrestle after a little wrestling training. Bottom line UFC sells because the casual clown has no idea what is going on and has A.D.D so UFC sells.

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