He's a technician with great movement...something HW's don't usually see and that will give them all trouble. I'm looking forward to seeing more of him at HW. I don't know what people expected last night. He won every round and out landed Witherspoon by miles. His style is to wear-down his opponents as he was doing last night. If Witherspoon was younger and better prepared his strategy might have had a more dramatic late fight finish that people wanted to see...but Witherspoon could not go on and his corner saved him. I wouldn't draw any conclusions on is HW career based on his 1st fight after a long layoff due to injury. I want to see him against top-level guys...it will happen.
I 100% agree with you. Usyk usually takes a little time to guage his opponents and to also think that his showing last Saturday is as good as it gets, makes me think that some opinions/post are only based on emotion or bias. Usyk is probably going to shock a lot of people on this forum!
I 100% agree with you. Usyk usually takes a little time to guage his opponents and to also think that his showing last Saturday is as good as it gets, makes me think that some opinions/post are only based on emotion or bias. Usyk is probably going to shock a lot of people on this forum!
I'm glad that Fury has moved to America. UK fans are mostly Eddie Hearn/Matchroom zombies.
Eh??? such an ignorant viewpoint. Boxing fans in the UK are exactly that - fans of boxing; and they're not really different to other boxing fans throughout the rest of the world. UK fans are more likely to know more about (and support) UK fighters in exactly the same way that US fans are with US fighters and Mexican fans are with Mexican fighters. The the love/hate relationship that Eddie Hearn has with boxing fans is nothing short of comical. I'm not particularly a fan of his but he's got lots people talking about boxing and by all accounts (well that of his fighters at least) he pays fighters well, so what's the problem?... Apart from the fact he may not promote a fighter that you follow or may not be from your country, that is...
Have a word with yourself man.
Nope, the vast majority of boxing fans in the UK are casual football fans who have been brainwashed by Fast Eddie into thinking the likes of Anthony Joshua and Tony Bellew are elite fighters, whereas in reality, they're a bunch of bums.
The only elite fighters in the UK are Tyson Fury and Josh Taylor, both of whom are non-matchroom fighters.[/QUOTE
That's just an ignorant viewpoint based on your perception of all things 'true' on the internet... what you read on a boxing forum doesn't represent fact, it's just opinion and conjecture!
Nope, the vast majority of boxing fans in the UK are casual football fans who have been brainwashed by Fast Eddie into thinking the likes of Anthony Joshua and Tony Bellew are elite fighters, whereas in reality, they're a bunch of bums.
The only elite fighters in the UK are Tyson Fury and Josh Taylor, both of whom are non-matchroom fighters.
That's just an ignorant viewpoint based on your perception of all things 'true' on the internet... what you read on a boxing forum doesn't represent fact, it's just opinion and conjecture!
When Hatton pulled in those numbers he was at the height of his career, AJ hasn't even reach that point yet. People forget that Joshua has only had 22 fights and has only been fighting 5/6 years as a pro.
I can see your point here but I think its a different ball game now. Joshua sells out stadiums (in the UK) wherever he boxes and his name is well known to the general public; while Hatton's name was certainly big, I don't remember it being on quite the same level as Joshua's, to non boxing fans that is.
I agree with this unless he can get the Fury fight. If he gets that fight then screw Whyte.
Fury is no where near ready for someone like Wilder. For his own sake, Fury needs a good few fights before that happens... he's still trying to lose the weight.
AJ asked for 50 million. Wilder gave it to him. Where is AJ's pen? Why doesn't he sign?
He couldn't sign because Wilder's team refused provide a contract for him to sign
AJ's promoter offered a low ball flat fee for Wilder to come to the UK and promised it would be AJ's next fight. Wilder said I'll sign as long as it's AJ's next fight. Then AJ's promoter refused to keep his promise. So there's nothing for Wilder to sign.
This is an alternate version of reality. By all accounts at the time, Wilder was absolutely confirmed as AJ's next opponent to Finkel, who then requested a contract. Wilder's team then dragged their heels and it wasn't signed, despite the contract mirroring the terms... AJ now has been mandated to fight Povetkin because of the delays... and Wilder still hasn't signed .
AJ is offering 15. Wilder is offering 50. The onus is on AJ to either sign for 50, or improve his offer to Wilder. Nobody has ever agreed to a flat fee in a fight of this magnitude.
There's no onus on AJ to improve his offer at all, Wilder didn't have to agree but he did...publicly! He accepted the terms and his team asked for the contract... the terms included a flat fee by the way![/QUOTE
Luckily in this respect, Wilder and his team decided to conduct a lot of their activity in the media so you no longer have to make anything up to suit your agenda. All you have to do it make an effort to read what's been written for yourself!
They didn't send a contract because Hearn turned down the offer. You agree to terms in principle first, then you go to contract. Hearn didn't send Wilder a contract until AFTER Wilder accepted the terms (although Hearn's contract didn't reflect what was agreed to, which is why Wilder didn't sign). AJ never accepted the 50 million offer, so a contract was never sent.
The contract didn't mirror the terms because the contract conveniently left out any language that would guarantee the fight would take place next.
He accepted the terms if the fight was NEXT. Then he was sent a contract that didn't guarantee the fight was NEXT. So those terms are out the window now. Wilder's not going to fight unless the offer improves. Hearn himself admits the fight will get bigger the longer they wait. So why should Wilder accept an old flat fee offer after the fight gets even bigger?
The reality of the situation is that Wilder and his team waited a month before accepting the offer, by which time the GGG and Canelo rematch was signed to take place in mid Sept. - so the date needed to change and all parties were aware of this.
My only issue here is that Wilder agreed only when he/his team thought that other things would get in the way (A Povetkin deal, etc.). What the fighters get paid is not really relevant - it's not as if you or I will get a share! And I'm certainly not a Wilder hater, far from it... I just think he's left looking a little vulnerable because he is being mismanaged and underpaid.
I mean, regarding the heavyweight division, I think Fury IS as skilled as many say, people may exaggerate a little but he is a really good fighter for the division.
I do think Whyte isn't that good. I would say B- level.
Cool! Ultimately thought it WON'T matter what WE think.
Because it isn't fair to ask someone to come fight in the UK when the fight is worth two to three times as much in the US. It isn't fair to ask someone to fight on DAZN when the fight is worth two to three times as much on PPV.
So, like everyone else, you don't know... that's all you had to say!
Wilder gets paid more against Joshua, in the UK; and while you may be able to contrive some manufactured argument to justify your contribution of this forum, it is baseless and subjective... it will all come out in the wash, as we say.
Oh good, another thread about Hearn... he certainly is popular on here!
Genuinely though, I feel privileged to be on this forum at a time when there are so many boxing 'experts' are also subscribed. I've read some of the the many 'objective' and seemingly prophetic viewpoints written about Fast Eddie and the Evil Matchroom Empire and just wonder... how can such a fiendish person like him exist in such a virtuous industry? I mean, its not as if he's trying to promote the sport of boxing or anything now is it?
Thankfully though his fine and up standing peers, the like of: Oscar, Warren, King, Arum and Floyd are all on hand to hold him to account, should he fall from grace. Hopefully they can lead him along the path of righteousness and save boxing from the evil clutches of the Matchroom Empire...
Whyte quite probably does deserve a title shot but like many others, I'm not at all interested in seeing him against Joshua again and certainly won't be paying for it. I'd much rather see him against Wilder or even Fury because he hasn't fought them before and think that it would give us a clearer idea of how good he is. I've got my doubts about Whyte being good enough to be one of the top HW boxers out there... while he has amassed wins over the last few years (including a couple of really good KO') and obviously developed a lot as a fighter, I think he is just that... a fighter and hasn't really fought top level guys.
In my view he loses to Fury (Fury simply out boxes him) and Joshua (he is just too powerful as well as being the better boxer), so the only one of the top three that I'm unsure about it Wilder... In my view and despite his improvements as a top HW, Whyte is still to easy to hit and I think if Parker can knock him down then Wilder can certainly get a KO. With that being said though, Whyte can take a punch (look at AJ vs Whyte) and has some firepower of his own... not to mention being mentally tough, so if he can survive a Wilder onslaught, it could be interesting. Also for the record, when Usyk acclimates at HW I think he beats Whyte handily too.
If we have to see Whyte and Joshua again, let it be after Joshua vs Wilder and Fury vs Whyte - providing all the starts align, of course.
Fury and Wilder have changed the commercial dynamic in HW division.
Even Klit wants to return!
Currently AJ is the loser, and the fans are the winners!
In what way is AJ the loser? They will all fight each other at some point and they will all keep earning in the mean time. Wlad returning just adds another dynamic, regardless how he does... as you say though, we are the winners in all of this.
it's prize fighting. not legacy fighting.
So given that rationale, wouldn't it be in a fighters best interest to make the highest amount of money they can in one fight?
hahahaha, ya, in one sentence hearn complains that other fighters only care about money, then in the next sentence he says joshua doesn't want to give them the money. but wait, if it's just about legacy and fighters shouldn't worry about money, why is joshua so worried about the money?
So do you think its money or legacy for fighters calling out Joshua?
So you'd sign a blank, legally binding contract?
If your answer is Yes then 🙄
What in my post suggests that I would? When Wilder publicly stated that he is ready to sign, you would have to assume that he is, in fact ready to sign... it just hasn't happened. Don't get me wrong here, I'm as frustrated as anyone else that this fight seems to have evaporated into thin air and I certainly won't be paying to watch AJ and Povetkin as it's substitute; but using only the detail that has been circulated in the media (not internet rumor and assumption) the fact still remains that Wilder hasn't signed. The WBC have stated "It appears the Wilder team have not returned the contract for the fight and therefore we are requesting a date for the Joshua versus Povetkin fight with immediate effect".
I don’t blame Wilder at this point. He should do what GGG did & refuse anything less than 45%. I don’t blame Wilder at all for the fight not happening. It’s so clear that Hearn & Joshua don’t actually want the fight to happen at this point in time. Joshua & Hearn make too much money fighting C list fighters to risk losing it all.
The only thing with the GGG comparison is that he was/is the unified champ who feels (as many others do) that he was cheated by the result in the first fight and by Canelo having to postpone the second fight because of his drug intake. Wilder's profile is similar to GGG but doesn't bring much more than the remaining belt and his self promotion to the table. I think that pressure to make the fight will see him probably earn more than 10% but 45%-50%, I doubt will happen.
It's official! Joshua now is blatantly running from Wilder, He's taking a card out of the light heavyweight champion Adonis Stevenson who does the same thing. Talks a lot of trash while fighting carefully cherrypicked opponents and avoiding any real threat. Joshua should be known only as the best heavyweight in England while Wilder is the best heavyweight in the world.
You can't honestly believe what you have written, can you?
I'm not a Joshua disciple by any means but to say he's cherry-picking while also saying that "Wilder is the best heavyweight in the world" genuinely indicates that one (or maybe all) of the following applies -
1) You're just a blind Wilder fan.
2) You're as mad as a box of frogs.
I'd prefer to believe however, that a secret option might apply:
3) Extremely confused.
After all, I doubt anyone could be that dumb with only one head :joke:
Away from the rumor and conjecture regarding the total income and purse allocation for the AJ/Wilder fight. It's obvious that Hearn doesn't want it next. He hasn't tried to hide that fact, in that he's offered up Whyte as a taster consistently. He wants to grow the AJ/Wilder match up for all it's worth but it seems he may have to give into public pressure on this one.
Generally speaking, I think most boxers just want to fight - its how they make their money and AJ is no different. Like Wilder, he will probably fight anyone but specifically in his case, as long as the deal is right... I do wonder though if he's getting fed up of people only wanting to fight him primarily because he's the cash cow? after all It doesn't do much for his legacy which does seems important to him. Still with that being said, at least he is willing to fight a higher level of opponent.
It seems quite apparent that Wilder's motivation until now has probably been more related to maintaining his champ status, by staying undefeated and taking as little risk as possible. That's not saying he's taking no risk because in my eyes, every fight is a risk and all fighters should be respected for that. What I am saying is that Wilder has made 40 defenses with the acceptance of lower pay (which is still far and away better than most of us), to fight mostly lower level opponents by comparison. This has obviously changed now that AJ is right there on the scene so now he spies a significantly larger payday and total belt unity - so who could blame him for potentially changing his philosophy?
While all of this plays out in the media, the facts are, as I understand it - Breazeal has decided to withdraw from the IBF eliminator with Pulev, for a reason rumored to be a Wilder bout. Hearn has been talking about Miller/AJ for a while but now that Povetkin is his mando, AJ has an immediate obligation for that fight (or pay Sasha to step aside for Miller) unless the Wilder unification materializes; so both sides have another option if Hearn and Haymon/Finkel/DiBella, etc... can't see eye to eye... it is after all, probably only public pressure that's forcing the AJ/Wilder fight at this point!
One more observation from me... For those that aren't aware, Hearn's 'take it or leave it' offer is just the first part in a period called negotiation. That offer won't be the last one made (I personally would expect it to rise somewhere close to the 20 million mark) and while Wilder's preference seems to be miscommunication via social media, it's quite possibly smoke and mirrors to incite a public reaction and/or interest... there'll most likely be a bit going on behind the scenes!
All the press releases by Hearn were that he was angling for Oct /November date in the UK.
Its not a giant leap to say these were what was agreed by Wilder.
Therefore the contract should have stated exact date tba but agreed in principal for thr months of oct-november 2018
That would have been a contract that adhered to the terms that wilder had agreed to[/QUOY
Your entire theory is one based on supposition that you try to manipulate and claim as fact, only to suit and enforce your argument. The post above simply continues in this vain and by using the words "angling" and "giant leap", you are simply making my point for me. To then determine that the contract "should" have stated XXXXX and agreed in principle to XXXXX is nothing but the baseless diatribe of someone trying to win an argument... you don't know what the contract contained any more than I do! The facts still remain that the contract still hasn't been signed and regardless of what you think or state to be true, no one outside of the respective teams really knows it's contents or what communication (or not) has passed between them. Frankly, I'm slightly stunned that someone can put so much belief in rumor and innuendo found in the media, put there by promoters for no other reason than to push an agenda...
You would refer to the recent offer. You know damn well I mean the negotiations for the fight that was supposed to happen next next that didn't happen because Joshua wasn't ready. Remember Hearn saying that he would not let Joshua fight Wilder on a 8 week camp? Well he's doing just that against Povetkin next. If you morons weren't such nut hugging idiots you would understand what that meant all along! They ducked this fight next on fkn purpose! There's no two ways about you red k fkn idiot. Shut your b@tch a55 up. I'm sick of you and all of these new Joshua d@ck riders on here all of the sudden. Your lot would defend anything because you're blind home cooking morons.
I'm just glad that you're able to state your point in such a well informed and articulate manner:banghead: I would suggest that before posting, you should probably do some research to at least try and appear more conversant than you obviously are; but who are we kidding, eh? If you take nothing else away from this, remember: facts don't cease to exist just because they're ignored. You take care now.
Lol if you all are suckers paying him and Hearn that much to watch him fight trash well then there is a sucker born every second. The entire HW division is garbage top to bottom yet Hearn and Joshua know this, as they take in the millions and laugh there are folks that plead their case....
Moronic
Do you really think that Povetkin, Klitschko and Parker are trash? Currently, what other HW boxer out there would you suggest is better? They can only box whom is available to them at the time... while some go for the higher ranked opponents, some don't...