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The meeting where Golovkin said "Yes" and Ward said "No" because he had a shoulder injury? From what I've found it seems it was likely early 2013. Here GGG after Proksa saying yes to fight Ward: http://www.boxingnews 24.com/2012/09/golovkin-willing-to-fight-andre-ward/(Remove the space) Ward has shoulder injury: http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles-frontpage/15858-andre-ward-to-have-shoulder-surgery-pavlik-fight-off Here's an article after Rosado-GGG saying Golovkin wants to fight Ward as soon as his shoulder is healed: http://www.boxingnews 24.com/2013/01/golovkin-wants-andre-ward-in-2013/(remove the space) In 2013 although Ward did do some talking about Golovkin, he viewed him as an opponent "down the road" and was more focused on rematches with Froch or Kessler, fights that really had no chance of happening outside of each guys respective hometowns, Ward fights Rodriguez. By 2014 we have this: http://www.boxingnews 24.com/2014/10/is-golovkin-ducking-andre-ward/(remove the space) Cotto and Canelo have come onto the scene as possible opponents for Golovkin, if not Froch, Ward is irrelevant as hell and from whatever part of the world Ward is at, he's managing to have his lawyer send letters to HBO saying he wants to fight Golovkin, Ward didn't fight at all in 2014 btw. Basically if this is true, Golovkin was willing to fight Ward when he was at the top of the mountain. But now is supposedly ducking him. Man great post...hard to argue this but some will I'm sure lol

Lara outboxes the ***** out of golovkin Cotto ices this mother*cker. Straight up lol. Canelo takes his soul. Quillin might decision him if he has a good chin. Mayweather would probably break both hands teeing off on this guy. Jermell charlo outboxes him easy. Lemieux golovkin 50-50. Oh ffs please dont ever move up and fight ward unless u wanna end ur career ggg lol. Shi*t hopkins wins too im goin all out lol. Reason??? HE IS SO FUC*KING SLOW OH MY GOD. Anyone with great skills and a chin ESPECIALLLY speed beats him. I wasn't too far off though. Canelo actually took his soul and Ward would've embarassed and ended his career. Lol...Nelo fought well enough in both fights...still got outlanded heavily in both...I thought he won 8 rounds out of 24...and the rest of your post is a could woulda shoulda besides Lemieux, which was just way wrong. So a real man would probably say here 'I was wrong, GGG was great'...but you can do whatever it is you do here my friend...I guess that means doubling down...even though only 2 fights you mentioned happened...and GGG dominated one where you said it was 50/50...and probably won both the other fights vs the guy you said would 'take his soul' lol. Clown boy :)...how tall are you btw

Lemieux golovkin 50-50. Man you got that one wrong

I said this already and people got mad, I said GGG is slow as a snail and his face is open, also his power isn't really that great he isn't really as hard a puncher as people say, but I disagree with you LARA ain't going to do ****, that guy sucks, he just runs and throws a punch while ducking low. If Angulo almost took Lara out and Angulo is even slower than GGG, GGG will finish the job on this overated LARA. Quillin and Lemiuex will knockout Golovkin But they're all so brain washed they think im trolling lmao. Ggg's power is as real as it gets i see that. But he hasn't fought anyone with elite skills that can expose how slow he is. Chavez had an iron chin, much better defense and p4p better speed AND better timing but hbo is saying this guy is basically chavez? Wtf? Cotto would legit probablh stop golovkin and should fight him in june tbh. I think it has its merit when you dk not see what others have especially when nehas not faced anyone world class. How can you get excited about a fighter that has no defence, or jab. No movement lateral or otherwise. And lamps comparing him to Chavez??!! Really... I mean i've been noticing so many things in golovkin that have made me think 'i'm really not sold at all and i think he loses to elite level talent.' I'm talking guys with some skill, power, and speed. They don't even have to be special like mayweather. But i've kept it all in because GGG has been knocking all thesd guys out quick and looking impressive, so i'd pretty much get roasted like whats happening now. Now golovkin fights someone strong and tough, limited and good willed with ok skills but pretty slow who's getting things done like paulie would say "in spots" and he had golovkin froze and wincing with some body shots. Immediately i thought 'miguel cotto' who is much faster and has much better punching power. Murray just isn't that talented but hes a good decent fighter overall i give him that. There's no denying ggg's power is real and he can box, has some skills but he certainly has flaws and is far from perfect. I believe the right fighters can expose those flaws potentially and i gave a list but i came off a little ruthless and hostile so i'll own up to that i apolagize. But alot of you are bandwagoning really hard and not seeing things all the way through so i just had to put it out there. I'm seeing way too much fanboying and im not the only one who feels like this about ggg. Edit: now im starting to see more threads about this so maybe i got some people out of their shells who agree with me golovkin is not all that, atleast noy until he proves himself with some real elite fighters. Lol this thread was hilarious...do y'all take these Ls or just try and forget about them and move on

Jacobs, Canelo, and Derevychenko all taxed that ass. What are you saying? Even a welterweight, Kell Brook moved up and put that work on him until his face couldn't hold up due to being undersized heavily. Lol...SD gave him a good fight, I will give ya that...the other 3 fights there with Jacobs and Canelo...nah there was only 1 winner there in those 3 fights and GGG hardly took any shots. Still thought he beat SD but it was a great fight and very competitive...Brook had like 2 or 3 good moments in 4+ rounds and got his face broke and basically his career ended in the process. You were saying? lol...I mean I really don't care man...just thought this thread was funny...especially that you were so low on GGG for so long, and so wrong really...and well not much has changed..you still choose to hate on him and see what you want to see. Don't feel bad though...I remember that most GGG haters were saying Lemieux would beat him/hurt him/stop him once that fight was going to happen...but after GGG dominated him, well those guys forgot about that one, and just said Lemieux sucked lol. So do you my man...double, triple, quadruple down if that's what ya want to do...I will try to keep it as real as I see it, and if you are doing the same then good on ya.

Hagler beat the prime and punch resistance out of Mugabi that fight made him chinny AF, most of his losses after are all savage ko losses 1) I don't think GGG would have fought Hagler the same way Mugabi did...GGG likely would box behind the jab as he always has any time he respects his opponent's power...I think he would find success with the jab against Hagler but maybe some disagree. 2) Hagler surely did take something out of Mugabi that night...similar in a way to what GGG did to Brook in their fight...Mugabi iirc lost his next fight by KO due to a broken eye socket, just as Brook lost his in similar fashion. But then Mugabi won 11 straight by KO, over the same type of competition as he was facing before Hagler - all by early KO against OK fighters at 154...not against an ATG at 160. One could make a good argument that Mugabi just wasn't quite a top level fighter and that showed greatly in his big fights with McClellan Norris and Hagler...but he was a 'beast' vs other good fighters. I agree though that Hagler took something out of him that night...but when you go 11-1 in your next 12, with 11 KOs and winning back the WBC at 154...I mean hard to say you were completely done at that point and that you had 'your prime and punch resistance beaten out of you'

waiting for the announcement any day now... Lol...that gave me a hearty laugh

A drunk @ErrolSpenceJr is hilarious... pic.twitter.com/9BFK1fNbvI— Gorilla Productions (@GPboxing) 10 de septiembre de 2018 we need drunken boxing. Who were they talking about beating him?

I just ran a whole bunch of random photos through there...some photos of young Brad Pitt got like a 1.5-1.6...that tells everyone all they need to know how stupid this new fad is...OP, don't worry about the new fad of the day...work on yourself and women be available to you

This website will measure your FWHR just turn your webcam on and line your face up. https://www.tiesdekok.com/calculatefwhr/ I got a 1.7 Lmao that that site even exists. I swear, kids these days are doomed...getting their minds all muddied up with dumb ****. It gives you a different measurement every time you put a pic up...I've taken like 6 with my webcam and they are all different....I think it just spits out random numbers...but yeah I have never heard of this stuff lol.

I'm not a fan of Ward's boxing skills...but I'm pretty sure that dude has a long face and he was a great tough dude even if I felt his boxing skills were a bit overrated by some.

I thought ggg was fighting this Saturday.. I think it is October 5th

Ward talked about all his controversial wins, he talked about how in his first title fight, Kessler accused him of headbutting. He said that Froch said he was robbed, Kov said he was robbed in the first fight and was low blowed in the second fight. Ward said all those controversies where excuses. I guess in a way...what else can he say...it would be refreshing to hear someone say 'yeah I probably was fortunate to not get DQd in at least one of the the Kessler fight or 2nd Kov fight...I probably should have rematched Kessler and Froch, even though I beat Froch 7-5...and I had no real business winning vs Kov in the 1st fight but at least I came back and fought him again' I guess that is too much to ask :) lol

Trying to use logic & reason on fanboys or haters is a waste of time. They get their answers from their love or hate of that specific fighter & logic & reason play no part in finding or changing that answer. Good post as usual man....

I actually find Culcay’s style to be a problem for a lot of fighters. He got a chin and some pop that got fighters respecting him at a distance, but more importantly is defense is rather good considering Culcay isn’t a big name nor did I follow him before Andrade. That being said, if Charlie went 12 with Trout or one with Korobov, I’d bet Culcay too would go the distance on close cards with Jermall. Let’s see what Sergey brings on Saturday. I wouldn’t put the Culcay vs Sergey bout a measure for GGG. I thought he looks sloppy against Rolls Yeah I think Culcay is a pretty good example of a guy that is a better fighter than he gets credit for on the cards...I actually thought he beat Dervy in a close fight so that is part of the reason why I would expect GGG to get it done against Dervy...he has seemed to make a career out of dominating guys like that and getting them out of there. Yeah I thought he looked OK against Rolls...trying out the new stuff with Banks probably slowed him down in some ways imo...I think he probably felt what Rolls had early and wanted to get him to open up so he could throw back...but yeah idk...should be a good enough fight if Dervy comes to fight...should be some good action.

GOAT chin imo

Ya Charlo will fight ANYONE https://youtu.be/iRw7EZUZ8QE My 2 cents is for 1 million neither one would do that fight...for 10 million they both would...just comes down to money

If he didn't want the fight, he wouldn't of moved up, dad. Same answer. And he shouldn't be shamed for not fighting other top fighters when he has a guaranteed chance at the belt. Stop defending champions ducking when it makes your fighter look bad. Feed him to GGG? lol. He's the champion. He moves up, he gets the mandatory spot. How long have you been watching boxing? I'll tell you something though, Sanchez clearly didn't seem eager to "feed" GGG to Charlo anytime soon. I think him vs GGG or Canelo would make a lot more sense, don't you think? But unfortunately, none of these two seem to be interested. Probably because you're brilliant, or a my dad, or a combination of both. Being mandatory gives him a guaranteed shot at Canelo or at least the belt. Both options better than losing for nothing. Gee, what is a bigger sign of intent, calling out someone (which he actually did) or forcing him to fight him by becoming his mandatory? Given Golovkin's slow hands, bad reflexes, and unmoving head, Charlo would actually stand a pretty good chance IMO. Win or lose, Golovkin could get seriously hurt. Sanchez was very wise in not wanting him to fight Charlo. You don't have to quote the boogeyman. When a manager comes out and says that they will never fight ou and your trainer comes out publicly to protest your mandatory spot, then you know you're scary. When was the last time that happened? You're not analyzing anything dad. GGG is the second best fight in the division for Charlo, everyone knows it except his fanbase, one of the most cowardly boxing has ever seen. The type of fanbase who supports GGG dropping a belt to fight a junior middleweight, but can't understand when a fighter is trying to secure a shot at a title by not taking unnecessary risks. Lol dude no offense..but why do you get so emotional about it lol...you sound very young as well, and name-calling just because someone has a different opinion than you...not a good look my friend. To suppose that Charlo moved up solely because he wanted to fight GGG...I mean that is just wild...guys move up for all sorts of reasons...a lot of times it is because they can't make the weight at the previous level. Yeah as I've said I think Charlo is a tough fight for GGG in the sense that GGG is getting older, and his slowing down coincides with Charlo's strengths, which is his athleticism and explosiveness. Also to your point about Charlo being slow-walked or not 'fed' to GGG...look at how his team has handled him at 160...he fought Heiland, Centeno, Korobov and Adams...and maybe Hogan next...they are obviously being cautious with him man, and all around probably a good decision. Also - you must be a little new to boxing...when a champ moves up he doesn't necessarily get the mando spot...that is up to the org's discretion...and for the record Charlo wasn't given mando status at 160...he had to fight Heiland first. Btw...a lot of guys become mandos and then don't force the fight with the top beltholder...they like having the status of a belt, even if it is the junior belt...and taking the money/step aside money that sometimes comes with the belt. But in any event my friend...no offense...but a lot of your comments/remarks there are really kind of nasty and also kind of all over the place...you just seem to have a bit of an agenda here rather than just analyzing the situation in full...embellishing/twisting a narrative to suit your preferred view. I mean even your comments about GGG's slow hands and bad reflexes and unmoving head lol...he has never been close to outlanded on in a fight...fair to point out he is getting older and is not the quickest, but to over the top hate like that just exposes ya a bit. I just don't think you keep it very real here and that's ok...and I will wish you well my friend! Have a great day.

I'm just curious if ward had ever made those claims though? Had he ever said so himself that's he's the best? I've heard many other people say it and give him the accolades. I have heard ward mention that it's not his job to rate himself, he'll let the people decide that. And I'm talking about when he was active. If he's never said it outright I certainly feel like he has insinuated it...I think he was a really tough smart fighter for the record...just never really saw great 'boxing' skills from him against B level guys or above...and think he benefited from fighting at home with the scorecards and getting away with some dirty boxing. I mentioned in another post...if he was a little more humble about his successes, then I wouldn't really have an issue with him...I do feel like he has always given off that vibe though that he was the greatest...can't think of a quote off-hand but I'm sure one can be found. On another note I just read that Ward-Froch was billed as 'no excuses' lol...“This fight should be dubbed, ‘No Excuses.’ If Carl Froch beats me, there won’t be any excuses. I beat Carl Froch, there shouldn’t be any excuses. No judges, no referees, no nothing. May the best man win.” Thought that was funny since that was the same way Ward Kov 2 was billed

Exactly(if one sucks the other is not far behind) why cant others understand that??? They crap on fighters whose legacy will depend on how they do vs these other fighters. Nice post and wish more would think same. Yep...thank you...well said with the bold...

I was commenting on his mental state rather than his physical attributes. I think he should just keep it simple. Whether it's true or not he should tell himself "... the fat man got lucky and I'm going to take back what's mine". Then have a closed camp and come out mean and hungry in December. Ah got ya... I agree my friend, good points

FACT: Golovkin picked the weakest possible opponent refused to fight Charlo and Andrade... saying that those fights made... "no sense at all" but suddenly decides to embark on his "2nd title run"... when the inferior "available" Derevyanchenko is suddenly an option Golovkin is simply taking the easiest possible fight... as always wants a big drama show... but does not want any actual drama With all due respect man...in the same post...you said before that if GGG fought SD, then it proved he only fought certain styles...and then if he didn't fight him, it proved that he ducked him and was scared of him. Case in point that GGG literally can't win with some posters on here...and it's fine, I just think being a little more conscious of your biases would hopefully help some guys keep it a little more real. For the record - fighters almost every fight take the highest reward/lowest risk fight there is...there is a reason why Floyd didn't fight Spence after Spence busted up his eye in sparring...that was a much better fight than Berto...but Berto sold better and was an easier fight. And I think it is splitting hairs in a way to choose among Andrade, Charlo and SD...though I do feel SD is the best matchup for GGG...but they are pretty clearly top 5 right now...anyone saying Andrade/Charlo really wants the GGG fight, yet GGG doesn't, I don't really see the logic there

Ward did mention how it irritates him when boxers claim to be the best but only want to fight bums. He said he's fine with boxers who seek out the low risk high reward fights and are only in it to make easy money. But just don't claim to be the best. If you start claiming you're the best, then fight the best and prove it. Perfect example of why Ward rubs me the wrong way...literally every fighter does/did that - takes on highest reward and lowest risk- basically, himself included. There is a reason why he never went to Canada to fight Bute or UK to fight Froch or never fought Kessler in the UK or neutral/away...even though they were all big money and legacy fights and the 'best fighting the best'...he was (rightfully imo) worried that neutral or away judges and refs wouldn't find the match in his favor...and probably then worried that once he picked up a 0 that he could never earn the big money like Mayweather was doing. You see that with basically every fighter with a 0 in today's sport...it's never about fighting 'the best'...it's about making as much money as possible while taking on the lowest risk as possible...occasionally that means we get the best fighting the best. Acting like every fight he took was in efforts to 'be the best' and not focused on money...I mean what...just the other day after Kov/Yarde he said Kov should take the Canelo fight because it is prize fighting and not pride fighting...he apparently earlier in that interview said that RJJ should have fought Tyson for $40 million and cashed out. I've had friends like Ward and I just can't with people like that lol...they will just say pretty clearly untrue things and I guess rarely get called on it so the cycle just continues.

So when’s the charlo vs korobov rematch? Shhh we're supposed to move on from that :)

To get to unified, he obviously is great. Dies that mean other boxers have some better attributes. Of course. Think of the boxer you would have with Fury's skill, Ruiz's hand speed, Wilder's right arm etc. Yeah it's semantics in a way...I said he wasn't 'that' great...as in great enough to almost certainly overcome every challenger he faced/would face...I would still give him a good chance to beat Fury...and I always slightly favored Wilder over him because unless AJ caught Wilder with something early, then AJ's stamina and chin issues may be ripe for the picking as Wilder still packs a punch late in the fight. But I would still give him a decent shot against Wilder now too...though part of me seems him re-enacting Frank Bruno vs Tyson in that one

I caught it the other day. Really good interview. It's always funny to me the hate people have for Rogan. The guy brings very interesting on and let's them talk. Yeah Rogan seems about as neutral as you can get on a lot of the 'political' issues which is nice/smart...most people don't want to be inundated with that stuff everywhere they turn...I think it gives him license to have people from all over on the show and they can get into some good topics. Yeah it was a good watch and definitely enjoyed Wards breakdown especially on the mental side of the game. Very interesting that most of the posts are from guys that flat out hate Ward, why do you guys bother? lol Confused admiration is what it really is. I tend to ignore people I don't like but those on here give people they don't like so much energy. Strange. In general I agree with you Ali...that it is strange that so many on here dedicate so much time and energy towards fighters they don't like...so many posts/posters on here seem to get really emotional about the hate as well, which seems like a big waste of time and energy. In this case though there were a few of us wondering what the 2+ hour long talk entailed...and whether they got into any of the controversial parts of Ward's career...some convos spun off of that...don't really see anyone going overboard about it or really caring that much tbh. Ward was a really tough smart fighter imo...but never really saw the top level boxing skills from him against B level guys and above...feel he benefited from always being the home fighter and winning a high percentage of his close rounds and also getting away with some of the dirty tactics he would employ. No hate at all just how I and some other saw it...again he seems like a pretty good guy overall and was definitely very tough and smart...even if he received some favoritism you had to be tough and smart to employ his style often and even somewhat effectively

The G Man is one of my all-time faves...at 160 I would probably pick him over anyone...he could box, had power, athletic and a good chin...I think all that hard sparring they used to do at Kronk hurt him but sh.it happens I guess. GGG would be close because GGG tends to start everything out behind the jab when he needs to...would be interesting to see what developed after that...I think Canelo is a good matchup for Gerald and Gerald would outbox him and be fairly convincing...Charlo/SD and Jacobs all get outboxed and a couple of them stopped...Andrade it depends on what chin he has and how hard to hit he really is...he has never been in with someone like McClellan so it is hard to say. But yeah thanks for bringing him up...one of my all-time faves

;20041893']imo the 1st fight was close but the knockdown tipped it into Kovalevs favor imo so definetly didnt like that Ward was gifted that win, the 2nd fight however Ward was clearly winning imo, Man no offense...but how can anyone say he was in that first fight at all...he got beat 5-1 (it was as close to 6-0 as it was 4-2) in the first 6 rounds...and the last 6 were even with the clearest round going to Kov in the 10th. And the 2nd fight was much more competitive in the first 6-7 rounds vs the 1st fight...but Kov still outlanded him in 6/7 rounds...felt 5-2 Kov was probably the right score after 7, but Ward was much more in that fight, and could have legitimately won it in the end...dirty tactics and low blows notwithstanding. Just don't see how anyone can say with those stats that it was Ward who was 'clearly winning' lol..no offense, sincerely...I guess we can all see what we want/need to see sometimes.

Based on your logic, then Ali also wasn't great. And there has never been a great boxer because there has never been a perfect boxer. There's also no perfect athlete as well. For all his greatness, Michael Jordan wasn't a great shooter/passer of the ball. LeBron James isn't a great shooter and he's not as skilled as Kobe Bryant. Serena Williams powers herself into victory and her game isn't as aesthetically pleasing as Justine Henin. Etc. When are you idiots going to understand that styles make fights? Which boxer in history hasn't struggled against certain styles? Even Floyd Mayweather had about 3 fights he could've lost and he almost got knocked out by an average straight up and down fighter like Maidana. It's only when it comes to AJ that most of you bring out the pitchfork to chat shi..tt. The guy is human - not a robot. Even robots have flaws that can be compromised. The guy has great fundamentals, power in both hands, throws the best 1-2 out of the huge HWs, is the best short/midrange boxer out of huge above 6'4 HWs and also has the best high ratio punch selection in the division. At least he's not a one-trick pony with no skills like Wilder. Who's the perfect boxer in the HW division ever or amongst the current HWs? Heck, which boxer has ever been perfect? You sound like you should be the leader of the AJ defense force...I've never really said a bad word about the guy...not really a fan or a hater of him...just analyze what I see. And as I said multiple times, there are no perfect fighters...and as I insinuated as well (with my comment that AJ would have a better chance of beating Wilder, though Fury/Wilder was 50/50 at worst in Fury's favor) that styles make fights. You seem a bit new to the game perhaps and a big fan of AJ...that's cool but your analysis here seems a bit emotional and biased. Btw - MJ was one of the great mid-range shooters of all time with ATG touch...and I have never heard anyone criticize his passing either...Lebron actually made himself into a very good, some may say great at times, shooter...and I think Kobe was a bit overrated..and as to your comment on women's tennis, what is aesthetically pleasing is subjective, though I would agree that I don't enjoy watching Serena play...but that is mainly because if I ever watch women's tennis it is because a cutie is playing, and Serena is not my type. In case you missed it, here was my original post: I think his problem is that while he is a good boxer and good puncher and good athlete...and seems fairly intelligent...his physique is not great for boxing (stamina issues) and his chin is seemingly not that great...if he had the same attributes, but was just great in any one of those areas...boxer, puncher, stamina, chin...then he would probably be the top HW right now. I just don't think as a total package he is that good, or that great, rather. I think he is very good but since he lacks being great in any one main area, he goes from being pretty clearly number 1 at HW...to just one of the guys...no shame in that. Greats don't have to be great at everything...but when you aren't really great at anything, just really good, then yeah it is hard to really be an ATG or even the clear best guy in a good division (in boxing terms). Serena is great because she has the ATG serve in women's tennis, and her mobility and groundstrokes are comparable to any woman who has ever played...MJ is the best scorer probably in NBA history...Lebron one of the great scorers and playmakers...Ali one of the great chins and boxing brains. With all due respect, you comparing AJ to those guys at this time is shameful and disrespectful to all involved.

...and she won... This has nothing to do with boxing, I know, but why isn't age not so big a deal in tennis? If this is boxing we'll hear fans say, "He's fighting a grandpa," "He just beat a guy in his mid-life crisis," and so on... Because Serena just beat 6 women to get to the final...she is arguably the greatest woman's tennis player ever, and she is still ranked top 10 right now - and that isn't a mythical top 10 ranking, that is earned throughout the year. She also just made the final of the last two majors, beating 6 women to get there each time...if she was going out first round no one would really give that person a ton of credit. And if anyone is keeping score, I always enjoy it when Serena loses, she is hard to root for. To put it another way - if Pac just beat 6 solid fighters then lost a UD to Crawford...well no one would really be saying that Pac is that shot.