honest question for AJ fans

[Laligalaliga]

The fight not taking place in 2018.

it's assume that's the deal breaker. Should it matter much to wilder that claimed he is desperate to be undisputed and that there will be only face.

All he needed to do is not loose till April and he get his chance. If he accepts other conditions, I don't see reason why an adjusted date should be a problem.

In other words, I doubt he wanted the fight desperately like he claim on social media.

An excuse like this shouldn't stop an ambitious man.

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You still don't get it do you?
I repeat, you don't have to take Hearn's words.
The deafening silence from Wilder's team was felt even in this very forum.
Everyone was waiting for their response.
There was none for one week.
Only to say they're responding "on Friday," the next week.
These are Finkel's own words.

Wilder's team rarely speaks publicly period. Haymon never speaks publicly ever. Hearn is a promoter. His job is to be out in the public promoting his fighters, manipulating their fans, etc. That's not Haymon or Finkel's job.

Finkel's own words are that he got a contract on a Monday, was willing to sign it on a Friday, but in between he needed to be given a date.

He waited for a date, got one, and it was in 2019, after a Povetkin fight. Even though the term sheet that had been agreed to was for a 2018 fight. Hearn pulled a switcheroo and it killed the deal.

[Laligalaliga]

Prestige for a championship is established over time. The IBA, IBO, WBU, WBF, NBA, etc have all had some very notable champions. But they've never had a sustained history of consistent notable champions and therefore have never been recognized as world championships.

There is no one man that led to the WBO being recognized. It happened over time as more and more notable fighters won and defended the belt.

So "the man makes the belt" is a myth. No one man has ever made a belt other than arguably Larry Holmes with the IBF. Other than that, it is several men, over time, who have made a belt.

The WBC didn't become the top title on accident. It became the top title because more big stars have worn it than any other title. More huge fights have been fought for it than any other title.

I think you seems not to understand yourself.

It became the top title because more big stars have worn it than any other title. More huge fights have been fought for it than any other title.

Just like you wrote above, it's the big stars that wore and defend the belt that make sense the belt prestigious.

A belt is nothing but leather and gold with some crested designs but the man with the belt is the face and prestige of the belt.

I think we are almost saying the same thing but from different directions.

[OnePunch]

all this back and forth is hilarious, but this all comes down to ONE UNAVOIDABLE FACT:

Wilder/Finkel claim to really want the fight right NOW, had accepted the terms, had a CONTRACT ON THEIR DESK for the fight (with only a few minor points to be addressed) YET STILL COULD NOT GET THE DEAL DONE

That makes Shelly the most inept manager ever (which I know for a fact is not true), or perhaps they just werent that interested in this deal at this time.


hmmmmm..... which could it be..........


(Suilamans cabana boy to chime in about "9-figure deals" in 3....... 2....... 1.......)

[Kezzer]

They never said they were happy with the terms. They've said the exact opposite. That they believe the terms are horribly unfair and a low ball offer designed to stall the fight.

Because they didn't believe Hearn would do the fight next, they accepted the terms to call his bluff and prove he wouldn't do the fight next.

Sure enough, Hearn found a way to weasel out of the fight and not do it next.

There's absolutely no way they're going to accept those terms again. They only accepted those terms to expose Hearn as a liar.

Sounds to me like your accepting they are moving the goalposts. You either have agreed terms or you don’t. The date was one of the two terms they had queries, well that’s absolutely clear now. So it’s all about one term OR they change there mind? It’s as simple as hat really. 15 mil is hardly a low ball offer for someone who has made no where near 5 mil in a single fight before so let’s not make him sound hard done by ��

IF they really want the fight as much as they say then everything is now in place for them to sign. Let’s wait and see what they choose, I’m confident they will to be honest. More so than previously.

[kafkod]

From Hearn's own version of events, there was never a contract for a 2018 fight. Just because you don't like the truth doesn't mean you get to pretend it's a lie.

That's another lie. Hearn has stated multiple times that the contract he sent Wilder was to fight AJ next, this year. Even Finkel himself has never denied that.

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That's another lie. Hearn has stated multiple times that the contract he sent Wilder was to fight AJ next, this year. Even Finkel himself has never denied that.

please show us where hearn said the contract stated this year.

finkel has vehemently denied that.

[kafkod]

That's not true. Wilder verbally accepted a Fall 2018 fight. Hearn did NOT send a contract that reflected that term.

When Hearn finally gave them a date, it was April.

Wilder never ever had an opportunity to sign for a 2018 fight.

Why would the WBA LET Hearn ongoing extentions continue if Joshua wasnt fighting or have intent to fight Wilder next?

Because the WBA needs AJ a lot more than AJ needs the WBA. There's very little difference between being a three belt unified champion and a two belt unified champion. You're still unified champion and not undisputed champion. There is nobody in the heavyweight division that comes close to the sanctioning fees AJ pays. The WBA is always going to bend over backwards for AJ.

all this back and forth is hilarious, but this all comes down to ONE UNAVOIDABLE FACT:

Wilder/Finkel claim to really want the fight right NOW, had accepted the terms, had a CONTRACT ON THEIR DESK for the fight (with only a few minor points to be addressed) YET STILL COULD NOT GET THE DEAL DONE

That makes Shelly the most inept manager ever (which I know for a fact is not true), or perhaps they just werent that interested in this deal at this time.


hmmmmm..... which could it be..........


(Suilamans cabana boy to chime in about "9-figure deals" in 3....... 2....... 1.......)

The PBC propagandist who started this thread is trying to convince people that Hearn got extensions on finalising the Povetkin fight under false pretences. He's saying that the contract Hearn sent to Finkel was for a fight in April 2019, not this year, and that the WBA went along with Hearn's scheme because of the sanctioning fees they get from AJ's fights.

I say that's a preposterous idea, and that if Hearn had pulled a trick like that then both he and the WBA would have been sued by Povetkin's promoter for keeping him dangling in limbo for a month under false pretences.

As a former boxing promoter, what's your take on it?

[kafkod]

please show us where hearn said the contract stated this year.

finkel has vehemently denied that.

Finkel has said that the contract had no date. That's completely different from saying that it wasn't even a contract for a fight this year!

Hearn has stated, multiple times, the he told Finkel the contract was for a fight in Oct or Nov this year.

Finkel has never denied that Hearn told him that or claimed that Hearn was lying about it.

[OnePunch]

Finkel has said that the contract had no date. That's completely different from saying that it wasn't even a contract for a fight this year!

Hearn has stated, multiple times, the he told Finkel the contract was for a fight in Oct or Nov this year.

Finkel has never denied that Hearn told him that or claimed that Hearn was lying about it.

You are talking to a brick wall. If the "missing date" issue was such a big deal for Shelly he would have told Hearn to add an addendum that specified "no intervening bouts" and that could have been handled in about 5 minutes......