honest question for AJ fans

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That makes no sense.

Yes it does

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Like the other poster here said, that could have been settled in 5 minutes. Problem was Wilder and his team just ignored the contract for weeks without any comments or anything. Man weeks. How many days do you need to make any comment for a fight you claimed you desperately want? It's hilarious.

You're either talking from a lying stand point or a clueless stand point. I won't call you a liar but you're clueless as to what happened.

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I think we are almost saying the same thing but from different directions.

You are saying the MAN makes the belt, which a lot of fans like to say. The problem with that philosophy is that it allows someone like Chris Eubank to try to hide behind an unrecognized belt, or Ricky Hatton for so many years with the WBU, or countless other examples.

The history of the championship is important. AJ winning the IBF title wasn't significant because Charles Martin held the title. It was significant because Larry Holmes held the title. And Mike Tyson. And Evander Holyfield. And Lennox Lewis. And Wladimir Klitschko. And so many others.

The WBO wasn't the least important just because Joe Parker held it. It was the least important because Ali never held it. Tyson never held it. Foreman never held it. Lewis never held it. Holyfield never held it. Holmes never held it. Frazier never held it. And so many others.

Many fans think of the belts as random interchangeable titles. Not realizing the sport of boxing focuses on four major leagues, but the talent in each league is usually not equal. Some leagues are older than others. Some are recognized in more countries. Some attract more credible talent.

How you climb the rankings and get in contention is an intricate process. Yes it's political. Yes there's corruption. But this is the system the promoters and networks have chosen.

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Wilder/Finkel claim to really want the fight right NOW, had accepted the terms, had a CONTRACT ON THEIR DESK for the fight (with only a few minor points to be addressed) YET STILL COULD NOT GET THE DEAL DONE

The contract they were sent made no mention of when the fight would take place. Hearn assured them it would take place next and he'd get them a date soon. They waited to sign until they had a date Hearn had approved to be inserted in the contract. When Hearn finally contacted them with a date to insert, he informed them he'd decided to fight Povetkin next, but would do the fight in April.

How can you criticize Wilder for not signing for the fight NOW when getting the fight NOW was NEVER AN OPTION FOR HIM TO SIGN?!?!?

That makes Shelly the most inept manager ever (which I know for a fact is not true), or perhaps they just werent that interested in this deal at this time.

Or Hearn strung them along and then swerved them. Which there was really nothing they could do about it.

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Sounds to me like your accepting they are moving the goalposts. You either have agreed terms or you don’t. The date was one of the two terms they had queries, well that’s absolutely clear now. So it’s all about one term OR they change there mind?

No, it's Hearn moving the goal posts. Wilder accepted the terms IF THE FIGHT WAS NEXT.

Hearn broke his promise and the fight isn't next. Therefore those terms are out the window.

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That's another lie. Hearn has stated multiple times that the contract he sent Wilder was to fight AJ next, this year. Even Finkel himself has never denied that.

No no no no no. You claimed Hearn said it was in the contract. Hearn never said that. Hearn was "promising" the fight was next, while refusing to put any language in the contract that would guarantee it was next.

Please show us where Hearn said THE CONTRACT said 2018? You can't.

[Kezzer]

This three musketeers malarkey would defend wilder if he said the sky was brown.
Sometimes there just isn't anything to argue, accept on move on.

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The PBC propagandist who started this thread is trying to convince people that Hearn got extensions on finalising the Povetkin fight under false pretences.

There were no false pretenses. Hearn was simultaneously negotiating with Povetkin and wilder, Hearn & WOB both asked the WBA not to order the fight yet, Hearn made it clear publicly and privately that Povetkin was his preference, but he was also negotiating with Wilder to put pressure on Povetkin's side, and in theory would have fought Wilder next if Povetkin's side wasn't cooperative.

He's saying that the contract Hearn sent to Finkel was for a fight in April 2019, not this year

No no no, the contract Hearn sent made no mention whatsoever of when the fight would be.

It was only later, after telling Finkel he'd get them a date soon, that Hearn admitted he'd decided to do Povetkin next and the date would be April.

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Finkel has said that the contract had no date. That's completely different from saying that it wasn't even a contract for a fight this year!

The contract made no mention of when the fight would be. Later on, Hearn admitted he wasn't willing to do the fight next, and the date would have to be April.

Hearn has stated, multiple times, the he told Finkel the contract was for a fight in Oct or Nov this year.

He did tell Finkel that, he just refused to put any language in the contract that would force Hearn to keep his word. Eventually Hearn admitted the fight wouldn't be next. What Hearn stated multiple times is irrelevant since he refused to put it in the contract.

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If the "missing date" issue was such a big deal for Shelly he would have told Hearn to add an addendum that specified "no intervening bouts" and that could have been handled in about 5 minutes......

Hearn said I'll get you a date to insert ASAP. A couple days go by and then Hearn says I have a date for you, but it's not until April because I decided to do the Povetkin fight next.

What exactly could Finkel have done to prevent that? Hearn simply didn't want the fight. He strung Wilder along to get the best deal possible out of Povetkin, then swerved Wilder.

Finkel was willing to sign without a date as long as "no intervening bouts" was added (remember, Wilder's 50 million offer specifically had this language), but Hearn said no, give me a couple days and I'll get you a date. Hearn was never willing to put any language in there that would guarantee the fight was next.