honest question for AJ fans

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If the date is the reason, then why did Wilder and his team have to wait for a month to say so?

They didn't wait a month to say so. That's the problem with this entire situation. Hearn just makes stuff up, AJ's fans assume he's telling the truth, and then assess the situation based on an invented version of events.

We know Hearn is lying about Wilder not responding for a month because during that month, Hearn was doing interviews saying he'd been in touch with Wilder's team almost every day, that his father had another meeting with Finkel, things were progressing, etc.

Hearn's stories only fool people who watch SOME of his interviews. If you watch ALL of his interviews, you'll see he's constantly contradicting himself and changing his stories.

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I'm so glad we got a AJ Wilder master thread.

lol!!!! Green k sent!

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If thats true we will see a signed contract for april anytime soon, given they have said they are happy with the terms. Let's see if they do or not

They never said they were happy with the terms. They've said the exact opposite. That they believe the terms are horribly unfair and a low ball offer designed to stall the fight.

Because they didn't believe Hearn would do the fight next, they accepted the terms to call his bluff and prove he wouldn't do the fight next.

Sure enough, Hearn found a way to weasel out of the fight and not do it next.

There's absolutely no way they're going to accept those terms again. They only accepted those terms to expose Hearn as a liar.

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in a couple of weeks, we will hear the next move from wilder camp.

Don't think you'll hear it that soon. PBC is fleshing out their Fall schedule and may do another bulk announcement of their dates. Don't think it'll be in the next couple of weeks. Could be wrong, but I'd imagine they'll wait until the Mikey fight to announce some shows.

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you are coming back to my point. The fighter that holds the belt and the quality of opponents it defends the belt against determines the prestige of the belt.

Not some group of people in the name of organization or one history many years ago.

Prestige for a championship is established over time. The IBA, IBO, WBU, WBF, NBA, etc have all had some very notable champions. But they've never had a sustained history of consistent notable champions and therefore have never been recognized as world championships.

There is no one man that led to the WBO being recognized. It happened over time as more and more notable fighters won and defended the belt.

So "the man makes the belt" is a myth. No one man has ever made a belt other than arguably Larry Holmes with the IBF. Other than that, it is several men, over time, who have made a belt.

The WBC didn't become the top title on accident. It became the top title because more big stars have worn it than any other title. More huge fights have been fought for it than any other title.

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Prestige for a championship is established over time. The IBA, IBO, WBU, WBF, NBA, etc have all had some very notable champions. But they've never had a sustained history of consistent notable champions and therefore have never been recognized as world championships.

There is no one man that led to the WBO being recognized. It happened over time as more and more notable fighters won and defended the belt.

So "the man makes the belt" is a myth. No one man has ever made a belt other than arguably Larry Holmes with the IBF. Other than that, it is several men, over time, who have made a belt.

The WBC didn't become the top title on accident. It became the top title because more big stars have worn it than any other title. More huge fights have been fought for it than any other title.

mate, when are u gonna realise noone gives a **** about or respects the sanctioning bodies lol

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mate, when are u gonna realise noone gives a **** about or respects the sanctioning bodies lol

I wish that was true Drama Show. I really wish that was true. I know among hardcore boxing nerds, it is cool to pretend the belts don't matter, but what some of you appear to be oblivious to is the fact that the belts largely rule the sport with an iron fist.

Almost every fight is made because of the implications it'll have on bringing a fighter up the rankings, get him in position for an eliminator, get him a shot at a title, etc. It's almost impossible for a fighter to make any real money without a world title, unless they're already a big star from winning world titles.

The TV networks are obsessed with the belts (even while publicly pretending to abhor them) and therefore the promoters are obsessed with the belts. That's why we have so many belts. When Arum got boxed out of the WBA, he propped up the IBF. When he got boxed out of the IBF, he propped up the IBA. When establishing the IBA completely failed, then Arum resorted to propping up the WBO.

Bob Arum is the #1 reason we have four belts instead of two, and if he'd gotten his way, we actually would have five as he tried everything possible to put the IBA on the map.

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They didn't wait a month to say so. That's the problem with this entire situation. Hearn just makes stuff up, AJ's fans assume he's telling the truth, and then assess the situation based on an invented version of events.

We know Hearn is lying about Wilder not responding for a month because during that month, Hearn was doing interviews saying he'd been in touch with Wilder's team almost every day, that his father had another meeting with Finkel, things were progressing, etc.

Hearn's stories only fool people who watch SOME of his interviews. If you watch ALL of his interviews, you'll see he's constantly contradicting himself and changing his stories.

No one have to take Hearn's words for it you clown.
Fact was Hearn sent them a contract and there was no response for six days.
And on the sixth day, he was told to wait for another six days to send their comments or anything.
These are facts.
The deafening silence was felt even in this forum.
Hearn was dealing with uncivilized people.
Again, if the date was so important,
why didn't Finkel just simply say, "Give us a date and we'll sign" a few days after receiving the contract?
What is so complicated about it?
Are these people children?

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Fact was Hearn sent them a contract and there was no response for six days.

Again, that's a lie. Hearn later admitted he sent on the next Monday, not the previous Friday, so it wasn't six days. If you watch ALL of Hearn's interviews, you'll see how often the story changes. Finkel has been completely consistent with the timeline and if Finkel was lying, Hearn wouldn't have changed his story from Friday to Monday after Finkel corrected him.

And on the sixth day, he was told to wait for another six days to send their comments or anything.

Another lie. Finkel told Hearn there were two issues and they were ready to sign on Friday once those issues were clarified. Issue #1 - the rematch clause not matching what had been discussed. Hearn said this was a deal breaker and Finkel conceded the point. Issue #2 - No date in the contract, or any language guaranteeing the fight would be next.

Hearn said he'd have a date for them ASAP. He gave them a date later that week and the date was..... APRIL 2019. Thus killing the deal.

Again, if the date was so important,
why didn't Finkel just simply say, "Give us a date and we'll sign" a few days after receiving the contract?

He did. That's exactly what Finkel did. Hearn said I'll get you a date ASAP. Which he did. But the date he got him was April 2019.

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Again, that's a lie.

You still don't get it do you?
Or you're just playing dumb.
I repeat, you don't have to take Hearn's words.
The deafening silence from Wilder's team was felt even in this very forum.
Everyone was waiting for their response.
There was none for one week.
Only to say they're responding "on Friday," the next week.
These are Finkel's own words.