Why do posters say Roy jones Achieved more then Mayweather?

[b00g13man]

This thread went about as well as I would've expected. You've got a poster likening Ruiz to Canelo. Priceless.

Folyd is greater imo, but I wouldn't look at anyone who picks Roy like they were crazy.

[bojangles1987]

People like to talk **** about Ruiz and probably hold the first Tarver fight against Roy, but a Mayweather equivalent of that achievement would be Mayweather moving up to 160 and beating Andy Lee, then going back down to welterweight and beating Thurman or Brook or Khan or whoever. Or, considering how badly it affected Roy to move back down, if Mayweather had moved back down to 140 and beat Crawford.

Roy should not have retired after Ruiz. Moving back down and beating Tarver when he was clearly badly, badly affected by moving back down is an immensely important part of his career.

[billeau2]

Ruiz had a 55 percent ko rate and was never known as a ko puncher i mean who did he ever ko worth a damn

Nobody. For the life of me i cannot understand why Jones fans bring this up as an accomplishment. Roy destroyed himself doing this, Ruiz was low hanging fruit in the division... mere alphabet soup for the taking. its so much smarter just saying Roy ended his career as a dominant force when he decided to play musical divisions up to the big boys. At least then one can try to say the Tarver victory was post dominant Roy.

[billeau2]

Because if you take Roy at the height of his career (i.e. 2003), he did accomplish more than Floyd at the height of Floyd's career up until Pac.

Roy went from JMW to HVWT (154-200+), while being undefeated and actually KO'ing opponents. That's over a 50 pound difference in weight and opponents. Roy was 193 lb's when he fought for and won the HW title. He gave up 33 lbs to John Ruiz. That's the equivalent of Floyd fighting at 154 lbs for the Cruiserweight title while starting at 130 lb's.

To put what Roy did in proper perspective, considering his size, it'd be like Ezzard Charles/Andre Ward fighting Manual Charr/Hasim Rahman or the like.

Whereas someone like FMJ started at 130 and went up to 154. Not really ground breaking material there when you consider guys like Sam Langford who went from Lightweight to Heavyweight.

Roy starting as a JMW and going to HVWT will most likely NEVER be done ever again in boxing, let alone in our lifetime. The fashion in which he did it will most likely NEVER be done again. Whereas, it's more likely for someone to start at 130 and finish at 154.

Now if you want to talk about being undefeated, Roy was actually 50-0 before suffering his first defeat. That is unless you count the bout in which he was DQ'd when in actuality he won by KO.

Very substantive comments...for the sake of drawing this out, lets also assume Floyd's first win over Castillo is debatable and put it along side the Montel Griffith DQ Roy suffered. While I don't tend to see Roy's victory over Ruiz as that impressive, that is an opinion and nothing more, what you have done in this post is to take apples and oranges and blend them so we can compare apporanges to each other. IF we want to compare Roy's greatness to Mayweather we have to take the time period you are speaking of... otherwise we have two very different situations.

mayweather has technical abilities which give him a leg up over time, Jones, once he lost his physical abilities, was average. But when we take them at their best we can compare and one will find that roy was stronger in this regard.

[Dr Rumack]

Roy has explained over and over again why he went to heavyweight and then returned to LHW afterwards. Whether you agree with him or not the reasons he did it were clear. The only people who keep asking 'why' are the people who would rather shit on him than listen to him.

[therealpugilist]

Their equals to me.......Floyd fought in deeper divisions IMO and Roy was more dominant.....now that's rare considering how dominant Floyd was in his prime


Either way Floyd kicks major arse from 130-140 in his prime all time, Jones taxes em from 160-175



not many guys would be favored over them.


Floyd has the edge on paper, but what my eyes showed me following both guys entire career......Jones was a once in a lifetime talent, a Sugar Ray Robinson type talent and Mayweather was more like Charley Burley.....Floyd was near Roys level of athleticism but had the skills and technique, defense of a Burley

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Well yeah, it is lol. Not garbage but come on. Not a big win either.

Anyway, Jones' resume is, as was then, underrated. Moving up to beat a top five heavyweight is remarkable. Made 11, 12 defenses of a unified, undisputed LHW title. And of course beat Hopkins and Toney. That's ridiculous.

I go back and forth between who is greater between he and Mayweather, another fighter with an insane resume. There's too much hate to have a realistic debate about his accomplishments but cooler heads realize he is the clear best fighter of his generation at the very least. That he went through 18 or so years against 25 past or present champions and won each time is perhaps the most overlooked fact in this debate and that might edge it for him. However, I feel like what Canelo accomplishes going forward will be the decider in this debate. He's already a big win. If he goes on to have an ATG career that could catapult Mayweather into his own tier.

I dont get it. You and Larry say that the Margarito win over Martinez and Roy win over Toney win were crap cause they hadnt done a thing at the time. But now you're saying that Canelo (who was green, drained and hadnt accomplished a thing at the point) is a good win or could be?

Or are you insinuating that Martinez was a crap fighter the whole time?

[Caught Square]

Interesting thread, add a poll please

[IMDAZED]

I dont get it. You and Larry say that the Margarito win over Martinez and Roy win over Toney win were crap cause they hadnt done a thing at the time. But now you're saying that Canelo (who was green, drained and hadnt accomplished a thing at the point) is a good win or could be?

Or are you insinuating that Martinez was a crap fighter the whole time?

I never said Roy's win over Toney was crap. Try reading. And then comprehending because what is crap is the point you're trying to make.

[Johnny Rubber]

Mayweather has

More world titles won
More lineal titles
More divisional titles
More hall of famers on his resume
better record in world title fights//Roy 22-3...Floyd 26-0...floyd had 49 fights compared to Roys 71
more world champions defeated-Floyd 24-0 Roy 18-9 floyd had 49 fights compared to Roys 71
More title defenses 18 to roys 17



How can you look at the numbers and honestly say that?

Both good, but RJJ had the respect of the fans. Wasn't Roy a "fighter of the decade"? if so, that is an accolade Floyd didn't receive across two decades in the game.

On a side note, you must sit and try to think up random chit to start a Mayweather thread. Aren't there any active boxers that you can focus on?