Why do posters say Roy jones Achieved more then Mayweather?

[robertzimmerman]

Hopkins had not done **** in his career at that point..thats like me saying Canelo


and Toney at that point was he a better win then Pacquiao???

Toney's weight issues take the shine off of Roy's win a little. But in my opinion, it's still a better win than Floyd's win over Manny.

Regarding Hopkins, Roy had a fractured hand and Hopkns didn't lose for a further 12 years.

[robertzimmerman]

I would say because Roy went up and won the HW tittle..that is a huge accomplishment. Think about it, at HW, you dont have to make weight like the other divisions. Just the size difference..Ruiz was about 30 lbs heavier, granted Ruiz was a scrub..all he did was hug and hit, but still Roy beat him. For a guy who started at MW to do that..it says alot..its more than just whats on paper, its the HW title..carries more weight in alot of peoples eyes.

Great post.

There's a lot more to this than just comparing numbers.

[robertzimmerman]

He actually started at 154...but he never won "THE" heavyweight title..

So what?

How many LHW's in 2002 were knocking Ruiz's door down to get a fight?

How many people have even attempted what Roy did in the last 30 years?

If Ruiz was a belt holder today, how many LHW's do you think would be trying to fight him?

All things considered, it was a huge accomplishment.

[robertzimmerman]

Well there's certain things that have to be looked at.

Example, Roy won FOTD in the 90s. Floyd failed to earn this award because he took it easy for nearly 2 years 2008 and majority of 2009. He took his foot off the gas and let Pacquiao win it. That's one thing that seperates the two, Roy didn't take any breaks in his prime fighting top 10 guys, Floyd did.

Floyd is the only fighter in history to win Ring titles in two weight classes in the same calender year. That's a huge feat that probably won't be replicated anytime soon.

We will probably never see a guy start at JMW and go all the way up to Heavyweight. At least not in our lifetimes. And let's face it, probably not in the next two lifetimes.

Roy went up 47lbs, Floyd went up 24lbs.

When the smoke clears, I think the main selling points of their careers is that Roy went ot Heavyweight and Floyd has a more versatile list of accomplishmens. But both have accomplishments that probably will not be replicated in a while.

Great post!

[robertzimmerman]

Ruiz doesnt make him better than Floyd , people need to realize its not just about a belt , I didnt see Roy wanting Lennox , Ruiz was a flat footed very slow HW he was chosen for that reason Roy went back and fought a real top liner and got KOed , I know Floyd is hated by the majority in here most being young fellas that dont even understand boxing they need to look at the big picture with 20/20 vision .

What Floyd has accomplished will probably never be done again , 800 million in ring earnings is amazing as his climb in weight winning WTs and dominating every division he has been in for nearly 20 yrs after beating more WC than any man in history , hate him all you want the numbers dont lie .

The point is this:

Would Floyd have moved up two weight classes out of his comfort zone at 34, to fight a top 10 guy who outweighed him by 30 pounds?

Would he then have burnt off the muscle in just a few months, to go back down two weight classes to fight a hungry challenger who presented a big stylistic problem to him?

If so, how would that have affected him?

Those are very interesting questions to ponder.

Regarding Floyd's ring earnings, they have no relevance to this debate. However, if you want to look at them, you have to take into account the following: He was prime in a different era, he was fighting against other huge names, and I suspect that millions of people bought his PPV's in the hope of seeing him lose, due to how he's carried himself over the last ten years.

[robertzimmerman]

Larry I and usually see eye to eye but when it comes to achievements Jones has done some quite historically amazing things in the ring; while Mayweather has had a damn near historically greatest boxing career of all time but I see both as equally as great. Mayweather was intelligent in the aspect of his knowledge of implement his defensive skills more down the line when his natural gifts began to slowly diminish and Jones did nothing of the sort. People are quick to forget Jones was going to retire after the Ruiz fight and if he had he would have retired with an almost unblemished record and still a godly persona. Unfortunately something got in the way from Jones believing in his own legacy, while Mayweather has seen his place and is comfortable.

I see both Jones and Mayweathers accomplishments equal... But wise of P4P Prime, Jones will always have that godly aura; while Mayweather was "Great".

Great post.

[robertzimmerman]

As good as is subjective , Mosley Oscar Manny were all at the same level Floyd was at for those fights , it seems Floyd is always prime and everyone else is shot for me those 3 are all better fighters than Toney , Hopkins is great because of his longevity which also has to do with the weight class , the lighter weight classes are always tougher competition because the over all boxing quality and power to weight ratio of the little guys is better .

The idea of better is in the eye of the beholder , the thread is about accomplishments and that can be proven because its records written in history books , Floyd accomplished way more than Roy Jones did .

What do you mean when you say that Shane, Oscar and Manny were all at the same level as Floyd was for those fights?

Shane was shot.

Manny was nowhere near the guy he'd been and he'd got a shoulder injury.

Oscar was the best win, but he'd only fought twice in about three years.

How on earth can beating the version of Shane who struggled with Mayorga and couldn't beat Mora, be better than wins over Toney and Hopkins?

It doesn't matter what's written in the history books. Because they are just stats.

Statistically speaking, Manny has achieved more than anybody else in the history of boxing. But a knowledgeable fan knows that that isn't the case.

Floyd has not accomplished way more than what Roy did.

[robertzimmerman]

Floyd was just about as worn thats the part you dont understand , and Floyd gave Oscar 20lbs to make up for it , Manny could not beat the 154 Oscar Floyd beat .

If you fight a guy thats prime and so are you its equal , if you fight a guy thats had 30 fights and so have you its pretty much equal , off course there is differences but the point Im making Floyd never belonged at 147 and above , his ability prime was 135 , at 135 Floyd would terrorize a 135 Toney .

We have no shame stating reality and you have no understanding of boxing to comprehend it beyond your fan hate .

How on earth was Floyd just about as worn?

What do you mean Floyd never belonged at WW?

[robertzimmerman]

Reloaded,

You just dont get it , a 20 lb handicap to Canelo is a much tougher task than a 20lb handicap to Ruiz .

Its like GGG hits guys harder at his weight than a HW does at his weight , if you could work out scientificly the percentage ratio you would find FW up LH hit harder for their weight than HWs , and about 3 times faster more often and so much better fitness and skills .

Ruiz outweighed Roy by 30 pounds plus.

[robertzimmerman]

Because boxing is all about p4p ratio , Roy gave him about the same weight coming from MW , Floyd gave Canelo about the same coming from 130 , its all relevant , I didnt look at the exact figures I just know the difference in weight is not a lot between them as far as the handicap goes , Ruiz is a bum Canelo is twice the fighter .

All you wanna do is face value everything , its way more complicated than that if you wanna get into the nitty gritty of things .

We're on the same page with power to weight ratio. But Ruiz had more than 30 pounds on Roy, and that was after Roy had bulked up to take the fight in the first place. Also, we don't know what Ruiz's fight night weight was. He may have put on additional weight after the weigh in.