Why do posters say Roy jones Achieved more then Mayweather?

[ElMeroChingon]

Mayweather has

More world titles won
More lineal titles
More divisional titles
More hall of famers on his resume
better record in world title fights//Roy 22-3...Floyd 26-0...floyd had 49 fights compared to Roys 71
more world champions defeated-Floyd 24-0 Roy 18-9 floyd had 49 fights compared to Roys 71
More title defenses 18 to roys 17



How can you look at the numbers and honestly say that?

You can't look at it in black and white, have to look at the fighters hes fought. You can't just compare bum achievements.


Roy has James Lights OUT Toney, and Hopkins on his resume.

Floyd mayweather best opponents are one dimensional come forward fighters. NO where near the skill of them two i mentioned.

Name one fighter........... you can't.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

I never said Roy's win over Toney was crap. Try reading. And then comprehending because what is crap is the point you're trying to make.

You AND Larry said the Martinez win was ****. And Larry said the Toney win for Roy wasnt all that. I think the one who needs reading comprehension is you. And why are you getting so defensive? You ****ing sissy.

[IMDAZED]

You AND Larry said the Martinez win was ****. And Larry said the Toney win for Roy wasnt all that. I think the one who needs reading comprehension is you. And why are you getting so defensive? You ****ing sissy.

Why are we discussing what Larry said in relation to me? Because what you wanna debate with me has no merit unless you lump everything in.

LOL @ sissy. You probably said it like a phag. Call me when you're ready for a real debate.

[-Hyperion-]

Mayweather's best prime fighter he beat=Castillo. (and went 1-1)

That's the reason.

RJJ in his second championship weight destroyed that kind of opposition.

[QballLobo]

This is something that Floyd fans are going to slowly accept over time. While Floyd has some great numbers he really doesn't have any memorable fights over prime competition. People will remember his early 24/7 performances than his in ring performances. Plus his competition in hindsight is full of C level fighters like Ortiz and Maidana that just happened to have a belt.
People remember RJJ absolutely destroying guys in his prime and as the best fighter of the 90's. Floyd doesn't have any real great memorable fights so he can be quickly forgotten.

[Kenchiro]

all about the eye test and entertainment??lol so you can look good fighting cab drivers and be great?? cause thats what you just wrote

Was Bhop n toney cab driver?

[ElMeroChingon]

This is something that Floyd fans are going to slowly accept over time. While Floyd has some great numbers he really doesn't have any memorable fights over prime competition. People will remember his early 24/7 performances than his in ring performances. Plus his competition in hindsight is full of C level fighters like Ortiz and Maidana that just happened to have a belt.
People remember RJJ absolutely destroying guys in his prime and as the best fighter of the 90's. Floyd doesn't have any real great memorable fights so he can be quickly forgotten.

Most people agree.

RJJ has James Lights out Toney, and Bernard Hopkins on his resume. Theres nothing close to those guys on FLoyds resume.

[BlackSoul]

mayweather has

more world titles won
more lineal titles
more divisional titles
more hall of famers on his resume
better record in world title fights//roy 22-3...floyd 26-0...floyd had 49 fights compared to roys 71
more world champions defeated-floyd 24-0 roy 18-9 floyd had 49 fights compared to roys 71
more title defenses 18 to roys 17



how can you look at the numbers and honestly say that?

respond to my response no one has answered it yet since you created the thread i wanna rebuttal from you

[robertzimmerman]

Mayweather has

More world titles won
More lineal titles
More divisional titles
More hall of famers on his resume
better record in world title fights//Roy 22-3...Floyd 26-0...floyd had 49 fights compared to Roys 71
more world champions defeated-Floyd 24-0 Roy 18-9 floyd had 49 fights compared to Roys 71
More title defenses 18 to roys 17

How can you look at the numbers and honestly say that?

Great post.

It's a very interesting topic to discuss.

Statistically speaking, Floyd has achieved more. But I have a saying, which is: 'Statistics don't allow for circumstances'

When ranking a fighter, you have to objectively analyse his whole resume, taking into account many factors. Which means that in the end, it's very subjective.

Statistically speaking, Manny Pacquiao has won titles in 8 weight classes. Which means that statistically, he's achieved more than any other fighter ever. But does that make him 'The GOAT'? Not in my opinion. Because again, there's an awful lot to consider.

For example, has Manny achieved more than Ali? Again, statistically, yes. But look at the circumstances. Look at the win over Foreman etc.

Back on topic, Floyd naturally went up in weight from SFW to JMW, winning titles along the way. Which I think was an incredible feat. But was it better than Roy going from JMW to HW? People don't give Roy the credit he deserves for the Ruiz win, because Ruiz was awful to watch. But you have to consider that Roy had to pack on muscle to fight him, he was still outweighed by 30 pounds, and he was the first person in 106 years to accomplish that feat. While it's true that Ruiz wasn't great, Roy dominated him with absolute ease and he was 34 at that point, and he'd had almost 50 fights. Would Floyd ever have packed on muscle to fight out of his comfort zone?

After the Ruiz fight, Roy then dropped back to reclaim the LHW titles, making him only the 2nd fighter in history to win titles at MW, LHW, HW and then back to LHW. Then look at the circumstances: He was almost 35, he'd fought 49 times, and he had to lose muscle in a 2 month period, to then fight a highly motivated southpaw who was much fresher. Roy was absolutely exhausted, just scraping the win. Floyd never put himself in that sort of a position. And if he had've done, there's no telling what would have happened. Floyd certainly has more big name fighters on his resume, but non of them were at their best. While he has the wins over Manny and Oscar that have more of a 'Name' value than Tarver, those wins weren't as impressive in my opinion.

What I've wrote above, isn't meant to disrespect Floyd in any way. I have an enormous amount of respect for him. But it's just a few examples to highlight that there's much more to a fighter's achievements than black and white statistics.

Guys like Ray Leonard and Muhammad Ali have achieved more than Manny and Floyd in my opinion, despite what the numbers say.

I think that Floyd and Roy should be ranked very close to each other on any ATG lists. It's just a shame that he's still fighting at almost 47, whereas Floyd made his exit at the right time.

Great debate.

[Ryannn]

Why do people try to tear down one man's greatness with another man's greatness?

(looks at sig)

hypocrite much bro?