Why do posters say Roy jones Achieved more then Mayweather?

[robertzimmerman]

No, what I said is Floyd won't fight a C Class Middleweight title holder, nothing to do with Hagler. Let's say someone like Martin Murray for example if he was a title holder.

I also said C Class Cruiserweight title holder. I don't care who you pick that's a C Class Cruiserweight title holder, Floyd will NOT beat him while weighing 154 lbs.

John Ruiz was a C Class HW champion. Nothing more, nothing less. He was the Andre Berto of the division at the time; not the top guy and not the bottom guy. Given a 33 lb weight advantage, take it how you will. It was a MAJOR accomplishment, trumping all of Floyd's accomplishments when you consider where Roy started and the risk of getting clipped by someone weighing 33 lb's bigger than you and was a HW title holder.

It's funny how you guys like to use "title holder" when talking about Floyd's accomplishments, but refuse to acknowledge John Ruiz also being a title holder when Roy beat him.

Floyd has many John Ruiz-esqu title wins on his resume.

Another outstanding post, putting things into perspective.

Let's not also forget Roy's dramatic weight loss for Tarver, where he burnt muscle in 2 months to hit the weight. We know how exhausted Roy was, and we also know how Chris Byrd and Chad Dawson struggled when they went through the same thing. So what if Floyd had done something similar? There's no telling what might have happened.

[robertzimmerman]

What Roy did was the equivalent of Daniel Jacobs, Demetrius Andrade or Gennady Golovkin fighting Ruslan Chagaev for the HW title.

Let's be real folks. No matter how many times you bring up Floyd dominating Corrales, Canelo, Hatton, Marquez, etc; nothing equates to this.

And another one.

[robertzimmerman]

Roy in his prime was better thany ANY fighter I have ever seen....Floyd is more accomplished though...not really a debatable topic imo

I respect your opinion. But I think it's very debatable, and Floyd only achieved more statistically. Which is why it's interesting to do some digging. Because otherwise, on paper, Manny has the greatest resume of all time. But despite his title wins in 8 classes, we know that that's not the case.

[robertzimmerman]

all about the eye test and entertainment??lol so you can look good fighting cab drivers and be great?? cause thats what you just wrote

I thought you were a fan of both guys?

Roy didn't only look good fighting his low level competition and you know it.

[robertzimmerman]

seriously its not hard to understand.

Floyd has the better record, better overall resume, more accolades etc

However Roy has a near shut out win over prime Toney, Floyd has no wins that come close to this.

So it basically comes down to what you value more.

I don't think it's as clear-cut as that.

I think Roy's resume matches up to Floyd's.

[robertzimmerman]

Mayweather is the greater fighter and it's not even debatable. Roy Jones has the funner highlight videos on youtube doe...



Also, Hopkins > Roy.

Of course it's debatable.

[robertzimmerman]

I'm not sure where Mayweather being outweighed by 20lb comes from.

For the record, Canelo weighed in at 165lb and Mayweather actually lost weight from weigh in to fight night (really? lol).

Anyway, Canelo could have out weighed Mayweather 30lb and it still wouldn't be the same, as no fighter gains muscle in the less than 24 hour period between weigh in and fight night. Neither does he gain 15lb of fat.

It is rehydration weight, mainly fluids containing electrolytes, I won't go into the basics of biology surrounding this type of weight gain but it is not the same as gaining 15lb of muscle and/or fat, surely you must understand this?

At the weigh in for the Jones fight, Jones came in at 193lb and Ruiz at 226lb, no weight limit clause at all. That's a whopping 33lb of extra muscle and fat weight. There is no comparison between what Jones did that night and what Mayweather did by shrinking a fellow champion in his own division.

I rate Floyd higher but this isn't comparable.

Great post.

[robertzimmerman]

Nobody. For the life of me i cannot understand why Jones fans bring this up as an accomplishment. Roy destroyed himself doing this, Ruiz was low hanging fruit in the division... mere alphabet soup for the taking. its so much smarter just saying Roy ended his career as a dominant force when he decided to play musical divisions up to the big boys. At least then one can try to say the Tarver victory was post dominant Roy.

How can it not have been an accomplishment?

Why not?

Because Ruiz was awful to watch?

Because Roy made it look so easy?

Don't be ignorant. Look deeper.

[billeau2]

Mayweather's best prime fighter he beat=Castillo. (and went 1-1)

That's the reason.

RJJ in his second championship weight destroyed that kind of opposition.

I agree with this