Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[IronDanHamza]

I keep going back to it cause it's the only point that matters..The highlighted is all that matters..He thought he could beat Ward he was wrong..He thought he could go down and not be effected,he was wrong..Both sound the same to me,except one is an excuse and a way to take away from a fighter who never told him to try to do any of this to start with..Dawson thought,and Dawson was wrong..He loss bottom line..Your logic of taking away from Ward because of something Dawson could not do is the only flawed logic here buddy..

Do they really sound the same in your head or is that supposed to be a joke?

Dawson thought he could make the weight comfortably. It was an optimistic claim and clearly he was very wrong about that.

Well yeah obviously I take the legitimacy of the win away from Ward because why would I give a guy credit for beating a guy who was dead at the weight?

[IronDanHamza]

Actually the ****** would be the LHW who would sign a fight at Jr WW..No??Oh let me guess you believe your lil comparison to not be a ****** one??

Honestly mate, You should stop now.

Because saying you would give Amir Khan credit for beating Chad Dawson at 140 lbs absolutely takes the cake in that regard.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Hes top 5.

[Rome-By-Ko]

They aren't the same. They are entirely different. Dawson had to lose a substantial amount of weight and it clearly showed in the ring. Not the case for Canelo or Cotto.

Nothing to do with an "advantage". I've not uttered the word "Advantage" once.

What I've said was Dawson was drained. Which he was.

Canelo wasn't, Cotto wasn't. And Hatton definitely wasn't But I think you've decided to pull that example out.

Oscar De La Hoya was, against Pacquaio. And much like Ward-Dawson, that fight is discredited.

You don't get credit for beating a guy who is clearly dead at the weight. It's common sense.

You don't get credit huh,yet Pac became a mega star behind his win over Hoya..Funny,I thought you don't get any credit..The world did not get the memo..

Hatton was a Jr WW who moved up to fight Floyd and did not look great his first fight against a WW..Yet I bet you give May full credit..

Hatton move down and looked horrible against Lazcano and looked horrible..Yet everyone gives Manny full credit for that win..

If Cotto was not allowed to weigh in at 147lb for his fight with Pac then you should discredit it..Be consistent..The same with Alvarez vs Floyd..An advantage is an advantage..NO??

[IronDanHamza]

I cannot believe this mofo would give Khan full credit.

At least he is being consistent in his ******ation.

Here's a scenario;

How about if Dawson signed the dotted line to fight Rigondeaux at 122, miraculously makes 122, get's carried to the ring, they roll him in the ring under the bottom rope, the bell goes, he collapses instantly, dies, and the ref counts to 10.

Rigondeaux stopped him in 10 seconds flat.

Credit or no credit? He signed the dotted line so I'm guessing credit?

[Rome-By-Ko]

Honestly mate, You should stop now.

Because saying you would give Amir Khan credit for beating Chad Dawson at 140 lbs absolutely takes the cake in that regard.

No A LHW signing to fight a Jr WW would actually be the thing to take the cake..

[bojangles1987]

Rome, do you not like context or something?

[Rome-By-Ko]

Do they really sound the same in your head or is that supposed to be a joke?

Dawson thought he could make the weight comfortably. It was an optimistic claim and clearly he was very wrong about that.

Well yeah obviously I take the legitimacy of the win away from Ward because why would I give a guy credit for beating a guy who was dead at the weight?

Cause he choose to fight him duh..We are really going in a circle..How can a guy think he can do something fail to do it and then you make excuses to why he could not get this thing done..That is all that is happening here..

Your own admission,say's Dawson thought he could..When he does not you detract..Sounds like horse **** imo..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Rome, do you not like context or something?

Put this in context please...

If it's excuses,I hear the context just fine..

[BattlingNelson]

Here's a scenario;

How about if Dawson signed the dotted line to fight Rigondeaux at 122, miraculously makes 122, get's carried to the ring, they roll him in the ring under the bottom rope, the bell goes, he collapses instantly, dies, and the ref counts to 10.

Rigondeaux stopped him in 10 seconds flat.

Credit or no credit? He signed the dotted line so I'm guessing credit?

Full credit obviously. There can be no other way. Furthermore it would prove that Rigo picks a wallop killing a p4p LHW in ten seconds flat.