Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[IronDanHamza]

So have I,what ya saying sound like an excuse to me...If Dawson felt he could win,and signed to fight him there(which he did not have to do)that's all that needs to be known..Everything else your talking about is an excuse..Tbh is also not Ward's fault or problem..

I've told you already I can care less about Dawson being drained..Esp because he was the one who said he would go there to fight in the first place..Not to mention agreed to the terms of the fight...

It is Ward's problem in the sense he's not going to get credit for beating a drained fighter.

And Dawson did have to agree to those terms, well, if he wanted the Ward fight that is. Because we know Ward refused the catchweight Dawson offered.

But all that's irrelevant all that really matters if he beat a guy who was dead at the weight and I think anyone with common sense isn't going to credit that.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Seriously Rome, if Muhammad Ali came out of retirement right now and demanded to fight Wladimir Klitschko, would Wlad get credit because Ali is a legend and asked for the fight?

Pretty bad example bro..

Let's try a better one..Should I say the only reason Mayweather had a hard time with Maidana was because he came down a weightclass..Which then takes away from Maidana's effort..Do you feel this is right??Sounds like horse **** to me bro..

[Rome-By-Ko]

It is Ward's problem in the sense he's not going to get credit for beating a drained fighter.

And Dawson did have to agree to those terms, well, if he wanted the Ward fight that is. Because we know Ward refused the catchweight Dawson offered.

But all that's irrelevant all that really matters if he beat a guy who was dead at the weight and I think anyone with common sense isn't going to credit that.

Yet he's credited for it as we speak,strange how that works...

[IronDanHamza]

Based on intent it could be looked at that way...Give you an example..Ortiz only tried to head butt May one time..Yet a point was taken immediately,why the intent was there..

No, Ortiz did heabutt Mayweather once.

And he was deducted a point for an intentional foul. If Cortez had noticed the damage caused by it to his lip he would have been deducted two points.

And did you really just say that 1 low blow is the equivalent to 25? Like honestly?

[IronDanHamza]

Pretty bad example bro..

Let's try a better one..Should I say the only reason Mayweather had a hard time with Maidana was because he came down a weightclass..Which then takes away from Maidana's effort..Do you feel this is right??Sounds like horse **** to me bro..

But would you give Wlad credited because Ali signed the dotted line?

And obviously Mayweather wasn't drained at 147 he weighs 150 on fight night and fought there a year prior!!!!!!

Do you not take these things into account? Like seriously?

Use your brain for crying out loud!

Chad Dawson went down to weight he hadn't been at in 6 years. A weight that was 7 lbs lower than he'd been campaigning.

Do you not understand how this is an extreme thing? And nothing alike to Floyd Mayweather returning to 147 after 1 year when he comes to the ring at 150 lbs.

[Rome-By-Ko]

No, Ortiz did heabutt Mayweather once.

And he was deducted a point for an intentional foul. If Cortez had noticed the damage caused by it to his lip he would have been deducted two points.

And did you really just say that 1 low blow is the equivalent to 25? Like honestly?

Is your comprehension skills going bad at ya old age bro??I just said based on intent..Gave you an example,it could be looked at as just as bad..

An intentional foul is an intentional foul bro..If caught you won't be able to make it to 25(unless the ref from Mares Agbeko fight is ref'ing)..Like honestly,dude read before responding to me..Try to comprehend,this is the reason we're going in circles..

[lewishamboy]

Yes I would give Khan full credit.

You must be trolling!!

[IronDanHamza]

Is your comprehension skills going bad at ya old age bro??I just said based on intent..Gave you an example,it could be looked at as just as bad..

Your example makes no sense though because he wasn't deducted a point for intent he was deducted a point for fouling him.

An intentional foul is an intentional foul bro..If caught you won't be able to make it to 25(unless the ref from Mares Agbeko fight is ref'ing)..Like honestly,dude read before responding to me..Try to comprehend,this is the reason we're going in circles..

I know you're not but it's like you're being purposely ironic

Ok but you're saying if it makes it to 25, that it's the same as 1 And you actually think that's logical?

[IronDanHamza]

You must be trolling!!

He's not!!!!!!

[bojangles1987]

Pretty bad example bro..

Let's try a better one..Should I say the only reason Mayweather had a hard time with Maidana was because he came down a weightclass..Which then takes away from Maidana's effort..Do you feel this is right??Sounds like horse **** to me bro..

If we've decided to ignore all context, then yeah, Maidana fought a drained Mayweather.

Between this and your refusal to acknowledge robberies, it seems you hate context. Everyone who knocked out Roy Jones after Tarver and Johnson gets credit for beating the best Roy Jones I guess. Holyfield beat the best Foreman. James Toney is a natural heavyweight because he weighs so much on fight night.