Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[Rome-By-Ko]

For this guy an advantage is an advantage. There's no such thing as a small or huge advantage. 1 lb or 7 lb is all the same.

It wouldn't surprise me if he feels the same with age. He probably thinks beating a De La Hoya at 25 is the same as beating him at 65.

If a guy is on PEDS,if a guy hit low 25 times,if someone takes padding out of their gloves..It's all cheating to me fam,just the same as if it's a 1lb or 10lb advantage it is an advantage..It should be called out as intensely...

[IronDanHamza]

You don't get credit huh,yet Pac became a mega star behind his win over Hoya..Funny,I thought you don't get any credit..The world did not get the memo..

Well yeah it made him a star to the casual audience. What does that mean?

Very few of the actual hardcore fans give him credit for that win and rightfully so.

Hatton was a Jr WW who moved up to fight Floyd and did not look great his first fight against a WW..Yet I bet you give May full credit..

Hatton looked strong to me at WW. Just fought a big, strong, good fighter and struggled.

Hatton move down and looked horrible against Lazcano and looked horrible..Yet everyone gives Manny full credit for that win..

Well he looked awesome against Malignaggi. His fight prior to Pacquaio.

If Cotto was not allowed to weigh in at 147lb for his fight with Pac then you should discredit it..Be consistent..The same with Alvarez vs Floyd..An advantage is an advantage..NO??

Not really because neither were drained and that's clear and it's understandable considering they had to lose 1 lb from their prior fight.

No an advantage isn't an advantage. They aren't all the same. It's not that simple.

Dawson had to lose a substantial amount of weight, and go to a weight he hadn't been at in over half a decade. You don't see how that's very different?

I've been consistent, I discredit cases where a fighter has to lose a substantial amount of weight and go to a weight they haven't been at in several years in which in they are dead in the ring and don't discredit cases where a fighter has to lose 1 or 2 lbs and go to a weight they've been at or very close to in the last year. Quite simple stuff.

Am I going to have to go over this point above again? Because I've done so like over 5 times now.

[bojangles1987]

Put this in context please...

If it's excuses,I hear the context just fine..

The context is there's a huge difference between Oscar making 147 and being drained and Cotto making 145 and not being drained, but you're saying they should be treated the same and are the same thing. That completely ignores all the context that makes those situations entirely different. Just because both guys moved to lower weights doesn't mean they are the same situation.

And I don't care if Dawson ****** Ward's c*ck to get him to agree to the fight, he was drained at 168 and that takes away from the win.

[IronDanHamza]

If a guy is on PEDS,if a guy hit low 25 times,if someone takes padding out of their gloves..It's all cheating to me fam,just the same as if it's a 1lb or 10lb advantage it is an advantage..It should be called out as intensely...

How can you read this back and think it's not a ridiculous line of thinking?

To the low blow example you just used, it's like saying a guy being low blowed once and a guy being low blowed 25 times is the same thing.

[IronDanHamza]

No A LHW signing to fight a Jr WW would actually be the thing to take the cake..

No really, you giving the guy credit for beating him at 140 by far out weighs it.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Well yeah it made him a star to the casual audience. What does that mean?

Very few of the actual hardcore fans give him credit for that win and rightfully so.



Hatton looked strong to me at WW. Just fought a big, strong, good fighter and struggled.





Well he looked awesome against Malignaggi. His fight prior to Pacquaio.



Not really because neither were drained and that's clear and it's understandable considering they had to lose 1 lb from their prior fight.

No an advantage isn't an advantage. They aren't all the same. It's not that simple.

Dawson had to lose a substantial amount of weight, and go to a weight he hadn't been at in over half a decade. You don't see how that's very different?

I've been consistent, I discredit cases where a fighter has to lose a substantial amount of weight and go to a weight they haven't been at in several years in which in they are dead in the ring and don't discredit cases where a fighter has to lose 1 or 2 lbs and go to a weight they've been at or very close to in the last year. Quite simple stuff.

Am I going to have to go over this point above again? Because I've done so like over 5 times now.

So have I,what ya saying sound like an excuse to me...If Dawson felt he could win,and signed to fight him there(which he did not have to do)that's all that needs to be known..Everything else your talking about is an excuse..Tbh is also not Ward's fault or problem..

I've told you already I can care less about Dawson being drained..Esp because he was the one who said he would go there to fight in the first place..Not to mention agreed to the terms of the fight...

[IronDanHamza]

Cause he choose to fight him duh..We are really going in a circle..How can a guy think he can do something fail to do it and then you make excuses to why he could not get this thing done..That is all that is happening here..

Your own admission,say's Dawson thought he could..When he does not you detract..Sounds like horse **** imo..

Everyone you debate with it always goes round in circles Why do you think that is?

Dawson thought he could do it obviously, but he couldn't and it showed in the ring. I'm not going to give a guy credit for that.

Extremely simple stuff.

[Rome-By-Ko]

How can you read this back and think it's not a ridiculous line of thinking?

To the low blow example you just used, it's like saying a guy being low blowed once and a guy being low blowed 25 times is the same thing.

Based on intent it could be looked at that way...Give you an example..Ortiz only tried to head butt May one time..Yet a point was taken immediately,why the intent was there..

[bojangles1987]

Seriously Rome, if Muhammad Ali came out of retirement right now and demanded to fight Wladimir Klitschko, would Wlad get credit because Ali is a legend and asked for the fight?

[Rome-By-Ko]

Everyone you debate with it always goes round in circles Why do you think that is?

Dawson thought he could do it obviously, but he couldn't and it showed in the ring. I'm not going to give a guy credit for that.

Extremely simple stuff.

I am,even more simple stuff..Oh and it seems a lot of people are going to give him credit for it..Based off the fact the guy's still rank num 2 P4P..