Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[Resilient]

Is Ward even still a boxer?

[IronDanHamza]

They are all the same,it's an advantage of some sort..I told you earlier as well yet you never responded to it..It's all the same,your saying the weigh gave Ward an advantage,well then it did the same for May and Pac..This is the point..Or do you need me to spell it out for you and walk you through it like a ******ed step child??

No, they aren't all the same at all.

Moving down 1 lb to a weight you've been at or close to recently is entirely different to moving down 7 lbs to a weight you haven't been at in over half of a decade. It's a night and day difference.

I didn't say anything about Ward having an advantage.

I said Dawson was dead at the weight. Which is true and not surprising considering the circumstances.

And I do say the same for Pacquaio when he was in a similar situation I.e the De La Hoya fight.

[Rome-By-Ko]

No, they aren't all the same at all.

Moving down 1 lb to a weight you've been at or close to recently is entirely different to moving down 7 lbs to a weight you haven't been at in over half of a decade. It's a night and day difference.

I didn't say anything about Ward having an advantage.

I said Dawson was dead at the weight. Which is true and not surprising considering the circumstances.

And I do say the same for Pacquaio when he was in a similar situation I.e the De La Hoya fight.

They are the same,it's an advantage..Which is what ya getting at..So they are all advantages,yet you won't see it that way..Hurts ya argument to much..

BTW I heard plenty of people say Cotto was dead at the weight against Pac,and even more say Alvarez was dead or effected by the weight against Mayweather..It all sounds the same to me,excuses...

[IronDanHamza]

It makes all the difference in the world..Why sign and agree to terms you can't meet??Do you practice this in your life day to day??I don't,all the weight drain talk is nothing more then excuse making in my book..Had Dawson beat Ward would not be hearing anything about weight issues..

Obviously he thought he could do it. Turns out he couldn't.

Well no one is going to win a fight if they're dead at the weight are they.

Yes I would give Khan full credit,as I have for all his wins..Oh and believe me he's had some that would be easy to detract from,but why..Both fighters agreed on the terms,did they not??

That is just nothing short of ridiculous.

If Dawson made 140 lbs he'd literally be on the verge of death.

And you would give Khan credit for that? Doesn't a wall of logic block this thought process?

Yes I would give Khan full creditOr did someone make Dawson sign at gun point,and he had no choice..Oh boy..[/QUOTE]

You keep going back to this same point that's been gone over time and time again.

[IronDanHamza]

BTW I heard plenty of people say Cotto was dead at the weight against Pac,and even more say Alvarez was dead or effected by the weight against Mayweather..It all sounds the same to me,excuses...

Ok. But neither were.

Chad Dawson quite clearly was.

[IronDanHamza]

They are the same,it's an advantage..Which is what ya getting at..So they are all advantages,yet you won't see it that way..Hurts ya argument to much...

They aren't the same. They are entirely different. Dawson had to lose a substantial amount of weight and it clearly showed in the ring. Not the case for Canelo or Cotto.

Nothing to do with an "advantage". I've not uttered the word "Advantage" once.

What I've said was Dawson was drained. Which he was.

Canelo wasn't, Cotto wasn't. And Hatton definitely wasn't But I think you've decided to pull that example out.

Oscar De La Hoya was, against Pacquaio. And much like Ward-Dawson, that fight is discredited.

You don't get credit for beating a guy who is clearly dead at the weight. It's common sense.

[BattlingNelson]

I cannot believe this mofo would give Khan full credit.

At least he is being consistent in his ******ation.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Obviously he thought he could do it. Turns out he couldn't.

Well no one is going to win a fight if they're dead at the weight are they.



That is just nothing short of ridiculous.

If Dawson made 140 lbs he'd literally be on the verge of death.

And you would give Khan credit for that? Doesn't a wall of logic block this thought process?

Yes I would give Khan full creditOr did someone make Dawson sign at gun point,and he had no choice..Oh boy..

You keep going back to this same point that's been gone over time and time again.[/QUOTE]

I keep going back to it cause it's the only point that matters..The highlighted is all that matters..He thought he could beat Ward he was wrong..He thought he could go down and not be effected,he was wrong..Both sound the same to me,except one is an excuse and a way to take away from a fighter who never told him to try to do any of this to start with..Dawson thought,and Dawson was wrong..He loss bottom line..Your logic of taking away from Ward because of something Dawson could not do is the only flawed logic here buddy..

[BattlingNelson]

They aren't the same. They are entirely different. Dawson had to lose a substantial amount of weight and it clearly showed in the ring. Not the case for Canelo or Cotto.

Nothing to do with an "advantage". I've not uttered the word "Advantage" once.

What I've said was Dawson was drained. Which he was.

Canelo wasn't, Cotto wasn't. And Hatton definitely wasn't But I think you've decided to pull that example out.

Oscar De La Hoya was, against Pacquaio. And much like Ward-Dawson, that fight is discredited.

You don't get credit for beating a guy who is clearly dead at the weight. It's common sense.

For this guy an advantage is an advantage. There's no such thing as a small or huge advantage. 1 lb or 7 lb is all the same.

It wouldn't surprise me if he feels the same with age. He probably thinks beating a De La Hoya at 25 is the same as beating him at 65.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I cannot believe this mofo would give Khan full credit.

At least he is being consistent in his ******ation.

Actually the ****** would be the LHW who would sign a fight at Jr WW..No??Oh let me guess you believe your lil comparison to not be a ****** one??