Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[bojangles1987]

He wasn't dead at the weight. He performed, he just couldn't take Ward's style and couldn't take a shot. That should take a little luster away from the win, but not negate the fact that it happned at all. That's not fair.

He was dead at the weight. It was incredibly obvious.

Why do you think he couldn't take a shot?

[Nation's Fist]

Jokeland Ward is definitely not p4p top 3, beating a mediocre Rodriguez and a weight-drained to death Chad Dawson (who was KTFO1 in his next fight) does not make you the 2nd best fighter in the world.

[Rome-By-Ko]

All of those he stated are true.

Denying Chad Dawson was drained against Ward is just plain silly.

Really my point is not to deny or confirm weather or not Dawson was drained..You should have notice by now,I really don't give a fucck..My point is that Dawson put his name on the line,he called out Ward at the weight..All his choices..So when he get's his azz beat,I'm not detracting from Ward..All he did was his job,it was not him who said Dawson's name or where they were going to contest the fight..Maybe Dawson should have thought before he spoke,that's really his own problem..

I count the win,and fully disagree with you saying Ward has not had a good win in two yrs..This is my point..

Funny tho,never heard you discredit Floyd or Pac for their wins over Cotto or Alvarez..Guess it's selective detracting..

[IronDanHamza]

Really my point is not to deny or confirm weather or not Dawson was drained..You should have notice by now,I really don't give a fucck..My point is that Dawson put his name on the line,he called out Ward at the weight..All his choices..So when he get's his azz beat,I'm not detracting from Ward..All he did was his job,it was not him who said Dawson's name or where they were going to contest the fight..Maybe Dawson should have thought before he spoke,that's really his own problem..

I count the win,and fully disagree with you saying Ward has not had a good win in two yrs..This is my point..

You're well in your rights to consider wins over weight drained opponents as good wins.

Lord knows I will not share the same standard.

Funny tho,never heard you discredit Floyd or Pac for their wins over Cotto or Alvarez..Guess it's selective detracting..

Have you not read my answer to this same thing like the last 4 times?

They aren't the same scenario and I have broken this down literally about 4 or 5 times in a very basic manner.

I do however discredit Pacquaio's fight with De La Hoya in which he was drained which is a similar situation as the Dawson fight. A fighter moving down a whole weight class after not being there for several years, 6-7 years for Dawson's case and a decade for Oscar's case.

Understand? Or am I going to have to explain this again?

[BattlingNelson]

Really my point is not to deny or confirm weather or not Dawson was drained..You should have notice by now,I really don't give a fucck..My point is that Dawson put his name on the line,he called out Ward at the weight..All his choices..So when he get's his azz beat,I'm not detracting from Ward..All he did was his job,it was not him who said Dawson's name or where they were going to contest the fight..Maybe Dawson should have thought before he spoke,that's really his own problem..

I count the win,and fully disagree with you saying Ward has not had a good win in two yrs..This is my point..

Funny tho,never heard you discredit Floyd or Pac for their wins over Cotto or Alvarez..Guess it's selective detracting..

What if Dawson had said that he could make 140 for a fight with say Amir Khan? Dawson shows like some prisoner from Auschwitch and Khan KO's him in 30 seconds. Would you then give Khan full credit or....?

[mezoomozaa]

My current top 2 are Sergio Martinez and Rigondeaux

[IronDanHamza]

What if Dawson had said that he could make 140 for a fight with say Amir Khan? Dawson shows like some prisoner from Auschwitch and Khan KO's him in 30 seconds. Would you then give Khan full credit or....?

Depends if he signs the dotted line

Still struggling to understand what difference that makes.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

Is Ward even still a boxer?

[Rome-By-Ko]

You're well in your rights to consider wins over weight drained opponents as good wins.

Lord knows I will not share the same standard.



Have you not read my answer to this same thing like the last 4 times?

They aren't the same scenario and I have broken this down literally about 4 or 5 times in a very basic manner.

I do however discredit Pacquaio's fight with De La Hoya in which he was drained which is a similar situation as the Dawson fight. A fighter moving down a whole weight class after not being there for several years, 6-7 years for Dawson's case and a decade for Oscar's case.

Understand? Or am I going to have to explain this again?

They are all the same,it's an advantage of some sort..I told you earlier as well yet you never responded to it..It's all the same,your saying the weigh gave Ward an advantage,well then it did the same for May and Pac..This is the point..Or do you need me to spell it out for you and walk you through it like a ******ed step child??

[Rome-By-Ko]

What if Dawson had said that he could make 140 for a fight with say Amir Khan? Dawson shows like some prisoner from Auschwitch and Khan KO's him in 30 seconds. Would you then give Khan full credit or....?

Depends if he signs the dotted line

Still struggling to understand what difference that makes.

It makes all the difference in the world..Why sign and agree to terms you can't meet??Do you practice this in your life day to day??I don't,all the weight drain talk is nothing more then excuse making in my book..Had Dawson beat Ward would not be hearing anything about weight issues..

Yes I would give Khan full credit,as I have for all his wins..Oh and believe me he's had some that would be easy to detract from,but why..Both fighters agreed on the terms,did they not??

Or did someone make Dawson sign at gun point,and he had no choice..Oh boy..