Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[Resilient]

I'm big on Groves too but with this, you are way, way off the mark.

If anything, Ward would rank over George solely based on the fact that Ward already abused a Carl Froch that was better than the version Groves fought and lost to, albiet controversially.

Groves would humiliate Ward and make him ponder retirement.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Oh my mistake..Did Chad call Ward out there or was it the other way around??Oh..Which is a very big reason nobody gave two ****s about the weight..Dawson wanted the fight there and called Ward out there..Fucck all,do you just wanna disagree with me,no matter how much of a moron you look like??

He called Ward out because it was his biggest fight out there. There was no one at LHW. The *** does it matter who called who out? Dawson knew he'd have to move to 168 and fight in Oakland to get the fight.

And and yeah no one mentioned the weight except every logical person who analysed the fight...LOL

[junior gong]

That wasn't a crap opponent by any stretch

Rodriguez? IF not crap, then distinctly average. I'm not knocking Ward, I'm a fan, he just hasnt done enough and hasnt really done anything of note since the super six finished. Its sad the way his career has turned out.

[Pugilist95]

Groves would humiliate Ward and make him ponder retirement.

The same Groves that lost to Degale?

[Rome-By-Ko]

He called Ward out because it was his biggest fight out there. There was no one at LHW. The *** does it matter who called who out? Dawson knew he'd have to move to 168 and fight in Oakland to get the fight.

And and yeah no one mentioned the weight except every logical person who analysed the fight...LOL

Yet now,we have Stevenson Kov Cloud was still around at the time..Yea there was nobody fighting at LHW..Keep talking about it moron..I followed the Ward Dawson fight,was it mentioned??Yes weight was mentioned..Nobody made a big deal about it until Dawson got his azz handed to him,like I said from the door..Sounds to me that no matter what Ward is a loser then..If he beats Dawson,oh it's the weight that helped..Should he have loss,it would have been see he's not very good..You talk of logic yet never use any..

[FeFist]

Ward has pretty much dominated his div,who is there for him to fight??That's the question??Who are the fans wanting him to fight??Exactly,nobody..Ward should not be penalized for this imo..

He should either fight top ranked guys in his division or move up to the next division and fight the top guys there.

Rome-By-Ko: What does two plus two equal?
IronDanHamza: Four.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Reality check: You P4P rankings do not count.

Also, he really actually beat Bradley and barely lost a position in the P4P rankings at the time.

Then, he got knocked out but that was by another top 5 P4P'er while winning the fight.

First, learn how to read and write then somebody will take you seriously.

Secondly, ignoring actual world recognized rankings in favor of your own, while debating with them when nobody knows what the **** you are talking about shows how ignorantly delusional you are and how you shouldn't be given a second thought about.

You're dismissed.

Was it not you who said reality check my rankings don't count??The same way your opinion of Pac not losing to Bradley does not count..So again,Pac had back to back loses..One by brutal KO,he is not moving Ward from the number 2 position period..I know ya can read that..

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yet now,we have Stevenson Kov Cloud was still around at the time..Yea there was nobody fighting at LHW..Keep talking about it moron..I followed the Ward Dawson fight,was it mentioned??Yes weight was mentioned..Nobody made a big deal about it until Dawson got his azz handed to him,like I said from the door..Sounds to me that no matter what Ward is a loser then..If he beats Dawson,oh it's the weight that helped..Should he have loss,it would have been see he's not very good..You talk of logic yet never use any..

Yeah now we have Stevenson and Kovalev. Stevenson was a nobody until he KO'd Dawson and was at 168 anyway....lol stop embarrassing yourself.

Nobody made a big deal about a 6 foot plus LHW moving down to a division he hadn't been at in years. Nobody at all. Keep telling yourself that man

[Boxing Goat]

Groves would humiliate Ward and make him ponder retirement.

To be perfectly honest, I'm not a huge fan of Ward's style but he would absolutely make it seem as though Groves is his own child playing about with him in the back garden.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Rome-By-Ko: What does two plus two equal?
IronDanHamza: Four.

Thanks for the input,great break down..