Is Roy Jones in the top 20 all time great?

[!! Shawn]

If roy is a top 20 ATG,, then floyd has to be a top 5 or 3 ATG,, his resume is much better than roy's

154 oscar, cotto, canelo > ruiz

hatton, castillo twice, corrales, genaro, manfredy, judah, baldomir, jmm, corley, gatti
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
toney, hopkins, tarver, harding, gonzalez, paz, lucas, castro, frazier, byrd, brannon

Ah, so now we get down to the truth behind your arguments. Roy Jones is a threat to Floyd.

[IronDanHamza]

Ah, so now we get down to the truth behind your arguments. Roy Jones is a threat to Floyd.

No that's not the case.

Sugar Adam Ali is not a fan of Mayweather.

[BoxingGenius27]

If people are crapping on Hopkins, Toney, Hill, Griffin, Johnson, etc, you know the guys RJJ beat, then I can only imagine what they would say if he actually beat Michael Nunn, Eubanks, Collins ect....

Especially when the guys RJJ beat had already beaten guys like Nunn, Eubanks, COllins, etc.

If you schit on the guys Jones beat, how can you say he "should've" fought the guys who he beat had already beaten?

Lastly, after Nunn fought James Toney he was done. I can't for the life of me figure out why/how someone could big up Michael Nunn post James Toney who did absolutely NOTHING

[New England]

Bowe defending the title vs the great Jesse Fergeuson,,,

Was suppose to be mercer, but mercer didnt train for fergueson and got beat in the tune-up, when he allegedly asked jesse have way thru if he would take a dive....

Hbo and the powers that be actually gave ferguson a title shot,,, By far the most disgusting main event ever, especially if you consider it was for the undisputed heavyweight championship of the world,,,,

A true black eye for boxing

mid round? that takes balls.
"hey man, i'll give you $50,000 in six months if you let me drop you with this left hook."

[!! Shawn]

Yeah, toney and hopkins wins are better than floyd's but floyd has alot more depth on his resume and fought top guys for over a decade and a half...

floyd has bruscles, shambra, sosa, and some other scrubs, but roy fought that caliber for about a decade from 95-03

Roy's peak years after toney were very uneventful IMO

McCallum and Hill are roughly equivalent to many of the names Floyd has, in terms of very good fighters, and great fighters past their best.

[LacedUp]

Make all the excuses you want. The weight that back then was "drained" is normal for fighters these days. Putting on 17lb overnight is something welterweight do.

Toney didn't look slow or tired, he was just dominated by Jones. Name me another fight where a legitimately ATG fighter was so comprehensively dominated in his prime.



Same thing with Hopkins. Blah blah blah, Hopkins wasn't in his prime till his 30's...

That is nonsense, it always has been. Just because Hopkins didn't gain widespread recognition until then doesn't mean he wasn't in his prime until then. Young Hopkins was just as crafty, had better stamina, and more agility. 5 years as a pro when he fought Roy, not exactly green like people make him out to be.

Roy took him apart.

Wow this is just not true.

How can you even say Hopkins was in his prime when they fought? His whole styled had changed dramatically when he went on his title run at MW. His whole style - he wasn't near the same fighter that Roy faced.

He clearly hadn't come into his own at the time, and it wasn't even regarded as a GREAT win at the time, let alone a win over an ATG or anything like that. It was a solid win over the #1 contender. the Toney win was great at the time - and so it should have been.

I still can't believe some are actually saying he's top 20 of all times. That is just so far-fetched. Even The Reed says he's not!

[Sugar Adam Ali]

So you are asserting that Barrera is as skilled as James Toney?

Dont put words in my mouth,,

Im asserting that you said barrera had won fights 2 years earlier, when manny beat him,, and i said that using that logic toney went life and death just a year prior with dave tiberi

please feel free to quote me where i said barrera is as skilled as toney,,, Barrera is an ATG and had a much better career than toney, but he isnt as skilled as toney

Now go back and look at the whole conversation again, and then apply the FACT that toney went life and death vs dave tiberi a year prior to roy jones beating him,, so once again using your logic, that would be a good win for roy since toney had been nearly beaten by tiberi a year earlier

Im not the one claiming roy is top 20 ATG,, the onus is on you to prove that he has a resume to rank that high, and so far your big claim is one fight vs toney

[Sugar Adam Ali]

McCallum and Hill are roughly equivalent to many of the names Floyd has, in terms of very good fighters, and great fighters past their best.

LMAO hill and mccallum were ancient guys,, literally mccallum was 42 years old fighting 4 divisons higher than his prime,,,

Cotto, mosely, oscar, were much better and champions when floyd fought them,, faded yes, downhill yes,,, but nowhere near as bad as mccallum and hill

[IronDanHamza]

If people are crapping on Hopkins, Toney, Hill, Griffin, Johnson, etc, you know the guys RJJ beat, then I can only imagine what they would say if he actually beat Michael Nunn, Eubanks, Collins ect....

Especially when the guys RJJ beat had already beaten guys like Nunn, Eubanks, COllins, etc.

If you schit on the guys Jones beat, how can you say he "should've" fought the guys who he beat had already beaten?

Lastly, after Nunn fought James Toney he was done. I can't for the life of me figure out why/how someone could big up Michael Nunn post James Toney who did absolutely NOTHING

Very true.

Jones resume seems underrated these days.

He beat a lot of good top fighters.

[!! Shawn]

If people are crapping on Hopkins, Toney, Hill, Griffin, Johnson, etc, you know the guys RJJ beat, then I can only imagine what they would say if he actually beat Michael Nunn, Eubanks, Collins ect....

Especially when the guys RJJ beat had already beaten guys like Nunn, Eubanks, COllins, etc.

If you schit on the guys Jones beat, how can you say he "should've" fought the guys who he beat had already beaten?

Lastly, after Nunn fought James Toney he was done. I can't for the life of me figure out why/how someone could big up Michael Nunn post James Toney who did absolutely NOTHING

Drugs destroyed Nunn's career.