Is Roy Jones in the top 20 all time great?

[!! Shawn]

Duran's resume is pretty awesome though I'd say.

Yeah, I am not sure how anyone can say otherwise.

[BoxingGenius27]

So why are you saying that on NSB you might never get a chance to be called an ATG, depending on when you're born.

Everybody is agreeing that Roy is an ATG. No question - there are questions around his position though.

Prime Roy? How can someone in their prime be the goat? That doesn't really make sense to me. Either you're the greatest, or you're not the greatest. Did he have a bigger career than Ray Leonard?

Excuse me, GOAT

[LacedUp]

I rate a fighter based off of what I see from him in his abilities in the ring. That's greatest of all time to "me" subjectively.

Others rate a fighter off of when they were born and what era they fought in. Although, I understand where they're coming from because how else can you gauge someone's ability but who's to say if said fighter fought in {insert era} the same wouldn't happen if not more.

I also think too much emphasis is put into life and death battles/wars. Roy is in a bad situation because I think had he had wars in his prime like SRR, SRL and Ali did, he would be more respected. But because folks never came close to prime Roy, his era gets criticized and so does his strength of schedule

I think a sensible thing to do would be to combine the two and take skills etc mixed with resume and come up with it. I don't think anyone thinks that Roy's resume is the best or even amongst the best in the history of the sport - but he has skills that would elevate his status.

I don't really think Ali had a life/death struggle with anyone in his prime. And of course, with SRR - he was fighting every other week and we didn't even get to see him in his prime so it's hard to say.

One thing is for sure though, both Ray Leonard, Ali and Robinson have far better resume's than Roy Jones.

[Jc8804]

Roy jones is a once in a lifetime type fighter that beat ATGs
And moved from 154 to heavy and won championships.

He is a pioneer in boxing .
Undefeated for 15 years.

[LacedUp]

Excuse me, GOAT

Well, there's a huge difference.

[toooooool]

?

Yeah, I am not sure how anyone can say otherwise.

I love Duran,but didn't he lose the biggest fights of his career?..Leonard2,
Benitez,Hearns,Hagler?..Don't give me the lightweight bologna,if you fight,
then you're accountable.

[LacedUp]

Duran's resume is pretty awesome though I'd say.

Not only that, he was an awesome fighter as well with possibly the best win of his era on his resume.

[LacedUp]

I love Duran,but didn't he lose the biggest fights of his career?..Leonard2,
Benitez,Hearns,Hagler?..Don't give me the lightweight bologna,if you fight,
then you're accountable.

He won the biggest fight of his career - Leonard 1.

[BoxingGenius27]

I think a sensible thing to do would be to combine the two and take skills etc mixed with resume and come up with it. I don't think anyone thinks that Roy's resume is the best or even amongst the best in the history of the sport - but he has skills that would elevate his status.

I don't really think Ali had a life/death struggle with anyone in his prime. And of course, with SRR - he was fighting every other week and we didn't even get to see him in his prime so it's hard to say.

One thing is for sure though, both Ray Leonard, Ali and Robinson have far better resume's than Roy Jones.

Despite being imprisoned for 3 years before his first fight with Frazier, I feel Ali was still in his prime against Frazier in the first fight. He beat Quarry and Bonavena before Frazier then went on to do great things post his first fight with Frazier

[!! Shawn]

I think a sensible thing to do would be to combine the two and take skills etc mixed with resume and come up with it. I don't think anyone thinks that Roy's resume is the best or even amongst the best in the history of the sport - but he has skills that would elevate his status.

I don't really think Ali had a life/death struggle with anyone in his prime. And of course, with SRR - he was fighting every other week and we didn't even get to see him in his prime so it's hard to say.

One thing is for sure though, both Ray Leonard, Ali and Robinson have far better resume's than Roy Jones.

Roy definitely has a fairly average resume overall, but His two significant wins are VERY significant.

We saw Roy Jones fight the best two fighters of his generation, and we beat them decisively.

The rest of his career was a huge disappointment, but it was enough to eliminate and doubts about what he is capable of.

Is there ever was an unbeatable fighter, it was Roy Jones Jr.

People talk about Pacquiao's movement, and ability to get to places quickly. Roy Jones was better.

McCallum called Roy Jones Jr the smartest fighter he ever fought. Roy was very clever. He just had this 6th sense that let him see what you were going to do before you did it.

People pretend like all Roy had was athleticism. What he had was Athleticism, and the intelligence to use to make him untouchable.

There have been plenty have of insanely athletic fighters who aren't a tenth of the fighter that Roy was.