Is Roy Jones in the top 20 all time great?

[IronDanHamza]

Thats one fight,, vs an out of shape toney

not roy's fault that toney was headed into oblivion for a decade, but that win does not make you a top 20 ATG....

I think that's an excuse to be honest.

Which fights was Toney in shape if he was out of shape for this one?

[toooooool]

wrong

Thats one fight,, vs an out of shape toney

not roy's fault that toney was headed into oblivion for a decade, but that win does not make you a top 20 ATG....

You see that's called Monday morning quarterbacking.Yea NOW WE CAN
SAY THAT,but at the time Toney just got done destroying Michael Nunn
and was being hailed as the next great thing.That was a terrific win for
Roy,no doubt about it.

[IronDanHamza]

joke? floyd is nowhere near roy's level

floyd has never fought a prime atg only shot versions and he has still struggled many many times in his career, jones dominated everyone he ever fought like never before or after, mayweather has only done that to marquez

mayweather is a hypejob, roy jones is a monster

Many many? Two whole many's?

He's only ever come close to losing once in his career how is that "Many many times?"

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I think that's an excuse to be honest.

Which fights was Toney in shape if he was out of shape for this one?

the Mccallum fights, prince fight, iran barkley,
You cant tell me that was a peak toney, he wouldnt win another meaningful fight til jirov in 2003,, thats nearly a decade later...

Im not trying to discredit roy's win, even said in my earlier post that it wasnt his fault, and even if it was peak toney,, its still isnt enough to be top 20 ATG

You see that's called Monday morning quarterbacking.Yea NOW WE CAN
SAY THAT,but at the time Toney just got done destroying Michael Nunn
and was being hailed as the next great thing.That was a terrific win for
Roy,no doubt about it.

Ok,,, first,,, toney was just done destroying nunn, that was about 4 years earlier and 20 fights prior and a different weight class, and at the time he had just struggled badly vs tiberia and some other lesser caliber fighters, and really hadnt looked good since early 93 beatdown of iran barkley

If you want to play the monday morning quarterbacking then take hopkins off as a good win, since that was not a good win at the time,, it was on an undercard for a vacant title vs a club fighter thats best win was over 8-0 percy no mercy harris,,, now years later we can say that hopkins was a great win,, but not at the time,,
So that leaves roy with a win over toney and ruiz and he is top 20 ATG,, GTFO

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Many many? Two whole many's?

He's only ever come close to losing once in his career how is that "Many many times?"

I agree,,, JLC 1 was the only time floyd was in serious danger of losing,,

I could also throw in oscar, because oscar was doing a great job of trying to steal rounds and was alittle more flashy in that fight

[!! Shawn]

Thats one fight,, vs an out of shape toney

not roy's fault that toney was headed into oblivion for a decade, but that win does not make you a top 20 ATG....

Make all the excuses you want. The weight that back then was "drained" is normal for fighters these days. Putting on 17lb overnight is something welterweight do.

Toney didn't look slow or tired, he was just dominated by Jones. Name me another fight where a legitimately ATG fighter was so comprehensively dominated in his prime.



Same thing with Hopkins. Blah blah blah, Hopkins wasn't in his prime till his 30's...

That is nonsense, it always has been. Just because Hopkins didn't gain widespread recognition until then doesn't mean he wasn't in his prime until then. Young Hopkins was just as crafty, had better stamina, and more agility. 5 years as a pro when he fought Roy, not exactly green like people make him out to be.

Roy took him apart.

[IronDanHamza]

the Mccallum fights, prince fight, iran barkley,
You cant tell me that was a peak toney, he wouldnt win another meaningful fight til jirov in 2003,, thats nearly a decade later...

Im not trying to discredit roy's win, even said in my earlier post that it wasnt his fault, and even if it was peak toney,, its still isnt enough to be top 20 ATG

So he was in shape for those fights and not the Roy Jones fight? Why? What's the difference between them?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Make all the excuses you want. The weight that back then was "drained" is normal for fighters these days. Putting on 17lb overnight is something welterweight do.

Toney didn't look slow or tired, he was just dominated by Jones. Name me another fight where a legitimately ATG fighter was so comprehensively dominated in his prime.



Same thing with Hopkins. Blah blah blah, Hopkins wasn't in his prime till his 30's...

That is nonsense, it always has been. Just because Hopkins didn't gain widespread recognition until then doesn't mean he wasn't in his prime until then. Young Hopkins was just as crafty, had better stamina, and more agility. 5 years as a pro when he fought Roy, not exactly green like people make him out to be.

Roy took him apart.

barrera-manny

hearns-hagler

jou louis getting ko'd by max

Gomez-sanchez

There is actually alot of times



IF you think one win over toney makes you a top 20 ATG then you have no sense of history,,,

As for hopkins, i never said he was green,,, just that it wasnt a big fight at the time,, Roy ducked on facing the legit MW champs at the time and fought for a vacant vs a club fighter at the time in hopkins... The fight was so pathetic matchmaking that it actually was on the undercard of the worst main event of the 90s,,,, LMAO worst main event of the last 30 years and this was the undercard fight,,, so lets not act like roy won some huge ppv mega fight vs hopkins in 93
It had about as much meaning as when GGG beat whoever for his belt, or quillen beating whoever for his
Monday morning quarterbacking will tell you its a great win, but if you were around at the time and watched boxing, this was not a big fight at all, hence why is was a tv opener for the worst main event of the past 50 years, maybe of all time

[IronDanHamza]

barrera-manny

hearns-hagler

jou louis getting ko'd by max

Gomez-sanchez

There is actually alot of times



IF you think one win over toney makes you a top 20 ATG then you have no sense of history,,,

As for hopkins, i never said he was green,,, just that it wasnt a big fight at the time,, Roy ducked on facing the legit MW champs at the time and fought for a vacant vs a club fighter at the time in hopkins... The fight was so pathetic matchmaking that it actually was on the undercard of the worst main event of the 90s,,,, LMAO worst main event of the last 30 years and this was the undercard fight,,, so lets not act like roy won some huge ppv mega fight vs hopkins in 93
It had about as much meaning as when GGG beat whoever for his belt, or quillen beating whoever for his
Monday morning quarterbacking will tell you its a great win, but if you were around at the time and watched boxing, this was not a big fight at all, hence why is was a tv opener for the worst main event of the past 50 years, maybe of all time

What card was it on?

Can't for the life of me remember.

[!! Shawn]

barrera-manny

hearns-hagler

jou louis getting ko'd by max

Gomez-sanchez

There is actually alot of times



IF you think one win over toney makes you a top 20 ATG then you have no sense of history,,,

As for hopkins, i never said he was green,,, just that it wasnt a big fight at the time,, Roy ducked on facing the legit MW champs at the time and fought for a vacant vs a club fighter at the time in hopkins... The fight was so pathetic matchmaking that it actually was on the undercard of the worst main event of the 90s,,,, LMAO worst main event of the last 30 years and this was the undercard fight,,, so lets not act like roy won some huge ppv mega fight vs hopkins in 93
It had about as much meaning as when GGG beat whoever for his belt, or quillen beating whoever for his
Monday morning quarterbacking will tell you its a great win, but if you were around at the time and watched boxing, this was not a big fight at all, hence why is was a tv opener for the worst main event of the past 50 years, maybe of all time

You think Barrera was prime after 2 wars with Morales? You think Hearns best was at 160?
Also while Barrera was a great fighter, I don't think he can honestly be talked about as ATG when it comes to skill level like fighters such as Toney and Hopkins.