Is Roy Jones in the top 20 all time great?

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  • Ham Porter
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    #111
    Originally posted by robertzimmerman
    I think this is a little unfair. Roy wasn't all mouth, because he actually went up to HW and fought Ruiz. According to his long time trainer Alton Merkerson, Roy kept his Ruiz physique, in the hope of fighting at HW again.


    No, it's what he always used to do: claim he was going to fight so-and-so and then end up fighting some unheralded mandatory. Did the same thing when he stated he was going to fight Jirov and then ended up fighting Clinton Woods in a fight even his own network publicly trashed.

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    • iLovesoccermoms
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      #112
      had he retired after the ruiz fight.. who knows..

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      • Bring It On
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        #113
        Performance: yes
        Resume: probably not

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        • Sugar Adam Ali
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          #114
          Originally posted by SlickRickman
          No, it's what he always used to do: claim he was going to fight so-and-so and then end up fighting some unheralded mandatory. Did the same thing when he stated he was going to fight Jirov and then ended up fighting Clinton Woods in a fight even his own network publicly trashed.
          He still does it to this day

          im gonna fight stevie collins

          im gonna fight silva

          im gonna fight kimbo

          im gonna fight Martin Rogan

          Im gonna fight Nick Diaz

          Im gonna..........


          Been doing it for years

          I love roy jones,, one of my favorite fighters to watch, but alot of smoke in mirrors in his career,,,
          Never really took big challenges unless absolutely had to...

          G-man, benn, eubanks for a MW title,, Nah, i will fight for a vacant on an undercard vs a tuesday night fights fighter club fighter hopkins at the time

          Then defended vs no one,,,,

          Finally took a big fight vs toney,, won, but then defended vs no one,, the division had benn, eubanks, nunn, watson, collins, G-man, liles, all champs but roy fought byrd, vinny paz, lucas, etc

          Then went to lhw and beat a bunch of weak fighters and champs like ancient mccallum, old hill, old reggie, frazier, etc

          Then when his lucrative HBO contract expired, he was forced to take big fights again so it was Ruiz at heavy, ruiz was horrible,,, and then no big fights vs tyson, jirov, toney, holyfield, lewis,,, but goes back down to fight tarver, and tarver owns him

          Thats basically jones' career,,, He had fat crazy toney as his best win, then nothing for a decade in terms of meaningful fights...........................



          I love how everyone says GGG, serg, ward etc they dont fight anyone but bums, etc,,, yet these same motherf#ckrs think roy is top 20 ATG and he did the same thing but worse..........

          LMAO,,, Roy is a great talent but career and resume sucks compared to other ATGs

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          • DLT
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            #115
            he's easily top 20, probably top 10, and maybe even higher

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            • MrTambourineMan
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              #116
              Originally posted by DLT
              he's easily top 20, probably top 10, and maybe even higher
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                #117
                Originally posted by poet682006
                Didn't vote in the poll because the "Not even close" is an extremely ****** option for this.
                Yeah. I didn't like that 3rd option either but chose it as I don't think he's close to being a TOP 20. RJJ isn't in the TOP 10 among MW and LH let alone all divisions.

                DEFINITELY ABOVE RJJ (MW and LH)

                Ezzard Charles
                Archie Moore
                Sam Langford
                Michel Spinks
                Gene Tunney
                Bob Foster
                Jimmy Bivins
                Hagler
                Monzon
                SRR

                Maybe above
                Charley Burley
                Bob Laughran
                Billy Conn
                Greb
                Walker
                Flowers

                and the list goes on. It's hard, if not impossible, to compare a RJJ with a Billy Conn, let alone a Harry Greb.
                Last edited by bklynboy; 02-01-2014, 05:13 PM. Reason: clarity

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                • !! Shawn
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                  #118
                  Roy is a strange thing, he doesn't have the storied career of many greats, having only a couple really notable matchups against great fighters. Bernard Hopkins, and James Toney. Neither of them were competitive fights.

                  I personally think Roy in his prime was unbeatable. Too fast, too smart, too elusive.

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                  • !! Shawn
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                    #119

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by !! Shawn
                      Thats one fight,, vs an out of shape toney

                      not roy's fault that toney was headed into oblivion for a decade, but that win does not make you a top 20 ATG....

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