Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[JAB5239]

First off, I never said he is an ATG based on his resume. It's hard to be with the time he took off. To me he is an ATG when it comes to how he would fare against other all time greats and the top fighters in the division during his era. He is as dominant as any heavyweight. He crushes his foes one sidedly and scarcely loses a round. That says it all really.

That said, he lost to Byrd by a fluke injury only and Lewis to another bad circumstance. Both while beating them.

You know this and so do I so don't act coy. It's not making you seem too bright in lieu of your well thought out and displayed response to my previous post.

But...he didn't beat Byrd and he didn't beat Lewis. Injuries are part of the sport. Being up on the cards and losing anyway proves nothing. I can show dozens of fights in history where one fighter was winning the entire fight only to lose in the last few minutes or less. Point is you have no idea what would have happened had he been healthy and continued.

[LacedUp]

You think and that's my point.

Thinking is not a fact, so stop treating it like it is.

Says the guy who think he saw Chisora's name in the top 10.

lol the irony is staggering.

[Boxing Goat]

Dude, don't even try and challenge me on Ray Mercer, I know you weren't around to watch him.

Yes, LL had a war with a Mercer, who many at the time, actually thought was getting older. He wasn't as old as he was vs Wlad of course, but not as good as he was when he faced Holmes in '92.

And I know you are just looking at his record because you probably wasn't born at the time, but after fighting Lennox he went on the biggest journeyman run since Rid**** Bowe won the title. Beaten those guys did nothing for him when he fought Wladimir.

Stop thinking you know something about me. I've been a boxing fan since the 80's and have probably watched every meaningful fight since the early 90's.

I have forgotten more about boxing than you ever knew.

[LacedUp]

Stop thinking you know something about me. I've been a boxing fan since the 80's and have probably watched every meaningul fight since the early 90's.

I have forgotten more about boxing than you ever knew.

No you haven't. And I doubt it.

[Boxing Goat]

If 6 out of 47 fights is beaten mostly top ten ranked opponents then you're right.

Why didn't you highlight the rest of that in which says, in his title reigns?

How many fighters do you know that fight top ten opposition their entire careers in heavyweight? None.

He's faced 12 (updated, based on not knowing about hide being in the top 10 for sure and adding Briggs) top ten heavyweights in his 16 heavyweight title fights.

Now shut up.

[JAB5239]

Poor compared to what exactly?

He has the 6th most heavyweight title defenses of all time and would be in 3rd in that catagory had he not retired.

This was defenses against mostly top ten opposition including a KO1 vs an olympic gold medalist in his prime.

That's not weak by any stretch. You're deluded.

Again, for those blinded by Klitschko love....resumes aren't compared by which contenders we think would win h2h, its compared by each contenders accomplishment before and after their title shots.

Is this a resume of strong contenders?

Peter - Crude slugger who went tooth and nail with a former middleweight

Adamek - Former lightheavyweight who's best win at heavy was Arreola

Arreola - Has never beaten another top 10 heavyweight

Donald - His career best win is over a ten years past his best Tim Witherspoon

Hide - His best win was over 11-1 Michael Bentt

Sanders - Never beat a top ten fighter before or after Wlad. Was stopped by Nate Tubbs

Williams - Come on, this is a guy who lost to Julius Francis

Kirk Johnson - Possessed skills but in his biggest fights always came in fat and out of shape

Gomez - Former cruiserweight who beat a few guys thought to be decent but were either past it or went on to accomplish nothing

Solis - Talented but still a novice by professional standards. Ridiculed for never being in shape

[crold1]

In terms of all time Id probably have him around 20. I personally would not consider such a rank worthy of the ATG tag, but sometimes it's frustrating when the tag gets thrown around and people define it in highly diverse ways. I was hoping you'd have some sort of quantification lol.

It's hard to quantify sometimes but, as I said, I think there are things he could have done to make a better case. Not one unification fight ever, given the era, is pretty rough

[Grimmer]

Stop thinking you know something about me. I've been a boxing fan since the 80's and have probably watched every meaningul fight since the early 90's.

I have forgotten more about boxing than you ever knew.

Stop thinking you know something about lacedup.

How do your know he hasn't been following boxing since the 70s?

[LacedUp]

Why didn't you highlight the rest of that in which says, in his title reigns?

How many fighters do you know that fight top ten opposition their entire careers in heavyweight? None.

He's faced 12 (updated, based on not knowing about hide being in the top 10for sure and adding Briggs) top ten heavyweights in his 16 heavyweight title fights.

Now shut up.

So now we take into account fighters that were in the top 13 years before the fight actually happened? keep digging boy.

Vitali has beaten 6 top 10 fighters in his career. Pretty solid for an ATG huh?

[JAB5239]

What does it take to be a 'true' champion?

Consistently beating the best. Vits has never done that.